The Former Trump Presidency Thread
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Re: The Former Trump Presidency Thread
Can we please start referring to him now simply as 'Florida man?'
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FTFY
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It was really important that the deplatforming happened. The Capitol attack was a unnecessarily late wake up call but they sprung into action. It also demonstrated the power they have over our society. We need to figure that shit out.
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He'll always be the "president-reject" in my mind.
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*SHIVER* - I just had a flashback. I must have Hayes command PTSD. I supported analog RASs for years.
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LOL, Florida Man's businesses are leaking $millions like a sieve.
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I'm pretty sure he's going to need to figure out a new logo; I don't think he gets carte blanche use of that moving forward.
But hey, enjoy what time you have left, Donald.
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But hey, enjoy what time you have left, Donald.
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I just threw up a little inside my mouth
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Populated with "former White House aides" because they can't get a job anywhere else. I wonder who is paying for this shit because it sure isn't him.
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Well, we'll be paying him $200+k a year for what life he has left, and gets $150k/year for 2.5 years for staff. It drops to $96k afterwards.
It's almost as if people are the problem.
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This has to be a vehicle for money laundering.
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It's not the Presidential seal. Assuming it's original in its minor differences, he can use it.
It's closer to the Great Seal but not exact. Not sure what the usage is on the Great Seal.
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More like tax evasion. You know they'll run this out of a closet in Mar-a-Lago and charge it some ridiculous amount of rent and write off the whole thing as a loss.
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Fair.
Meanwhile. We have this. *Sigh*.
Meanwhile. We have this. *Sigh*.
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I'm pretty sure that's not a thing. The article I read in the before times said it used to be a thing before 2013, but that was when former presidents only got Secret Service protection for 10 years. In 2013, Obama signed a bill giving them the protection for life and that travel budget went away. I'll search for it later, but think the article was on CNN.
Edit: Here it is.
Much more at the link, but relevant portion highlighted below.
A viral tweet claims that impeaching President Donald Trump for a second time would mean he would lose the ability to run for president in 2024.
That's not true. Nor are other claims in the tweet.
The tweet was posted on Friday, two days after a Capitol insurrection by a mob of Trump supporters sparked a new impeachment push from House Democrats.
As of early Monday, it had more than 181,000 retweets and 725,000 likes. It says the following: "For those wondering if it's worth impeaching him this time, it means he:
1) loses his 200k+ pension for the rest of his life
2) loses his 1 million dollar/year travel allowance
3) loses lifetime full secret service detail
4) loses his ability to run in 2024"
Facts First: The tweet is inaccurate in multiple ways.
1) Trump would lose his post-presidency pension only if both the House voted to impeach him and then the Senate voted to remove him from office; impeachment itself, without removal, would not result in Trump being denied any benefits.
2) The law makes clear that presidents who have lifetime Secret Service protection never get a $1 million travel allowance.
3) It is unclear that Trump would lose lifetime Secret Service protection even if the Senate voted to remove him and prohibit him from running.
4) Even a Senate vote to remove Trump would not prohibit him from running in 2024; for the Senate to ban him from the presidency, it would have to hold an additional vote on this question.
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Good to know.
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I have heard that the ban from holding future office (after a successful conviction vote of 2/3) is a simple majority.
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Yep, the linked article says as much.
Neither a second House impeachment nor even a Senate vote to convict Trump and remove him from office would prevent him from running again, in 2024 or beyond.
Rather, after two-thirds of senators present voted to remove Trump, a simple majority of senators present would have to approve an additional vote to bar him from the presidency in the future.
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It is a separate vote, but if we're in a world where there's 67 Senate votes to convict, it's really hard to imagine that there wouldn't also be enough votes to disqualify Trump. The latter is really what's in it for the GOP out of an impeachment / removal anyway.
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Is the vote on that ban contingent on Trump being convicted by the Senate or can that vote be taken even if he is acquitted?
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Has to be convicted first. It's basically the penalty phase of the trial.Ralph-Wiggum wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:37 pm Is the vote on that ban contingent on Trump being convicted by the Senate or can that vote be taken even if he is acquitted?
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The GOP is in quite the pickle. They can't stop him from screwing up the 2024 election unless they find him guilty. But if they find him guilty, they risk their own necks and the brand of the party. But if they don't stop him from running, they risk him fracturing the party. What to do!
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FWIW there's an argument that they can use the anti-insurrection parts of the 14th amendment, aside from impeachment:stessier wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:38 pmHas to be convicted first. It's basically the penalty phase of the trial.Ralph-Wiggum wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:37 pm Is the vote on that ban contingent on Trump being convicted by the Senate or can that vote be taken even if he is acquitted?
I doubt that they would, but it is a potential option.
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This. And it's likely they won't have the nerve to kill the beast. Fuckers deserve it.Smoove_B wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:41 pm The GOP is in quite the pickle. They can't stop him from screwing up the 2024 election unless they find him guilty. But if they find him guilty, they risk their own necks and the brand of the party. But if they don't stop him from running, they risk him fracturing the party. What to do!
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I must say, seeing the Republican party in a "no-win" situation is quite satisfying after the last 4 years.
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Unfortunately it's not really a "no win" situation. They'll endure a couple months of uncomfortable press stories associated with Trump, will probably acquit him, and either way will probably be favored to retake at least one chamber of Congress in 2022, especially after a new round of gerrymandering and voter suppression laws.YellowKing wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:12 pm I must say, seeing the Republican party in a "no-win" situation is quite satisfying after the last 4 years.
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I was watching some youtube video about the possible legal jeopardy the rioters face and one of the lawyer's points was the sedition really fits better than insurrection unless there is hard evidence of someone trying to overthrow the government vs. destroying property or some such. Then he showed this video.El Guapo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:46 pmFWIW there's an argument that they can use the anti-insurrection parts of the 14th amendment, aside from impeachment:stessier wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:38 pmHas to be convicted first. It's basically the penalty phase of the trial.Ralph-Wiggum wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:37 pm Is the vote on that ban contingent on Trump being convicted by the Senate or can that vote be taken even if he is acquitted?
I doubt that they would, but it is a potential option.
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What's the definition of overthrowing the government?