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malchior wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:34 pm
Jaymann wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:28 pm NAACP sues Florida Man.
Washington — A Democratic congressman and the NAACP filed a lawsuit in federal court Tuesday alleging former President Donald Trump and his attorney Rudy Giuliani, along with far-right extremist groups, conspired to incite the January 6 assault on the U.S. Capitol to block Congress from reaffirming President Biden's win in the presidential election.
Civil matter = "preponderance of the evidence."
Anyone want to guess the outcome? There are no damages? No standing?
No standing, for sure. Easiest way out for this lawsuit.
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malchior wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:34 pm
Jaymann wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:28 pm NAACP sues Florida Man.
Washington — A Democratic congressman and the NAACP filed a lawsuit in federal court Tuesday alleging former President Donald Trump and his attorney Rudy Giuliani, along with far-right extremist groups, conspired to incite the January 6 assault on the U.S. Capitol to block Congress from reaffirming President Biden's win in the presidential election.
Civil matter = "preponderance of the evidence."
Anyone want to guess the outcome? There are no damages? No standing?
All the best lawyers got OJ off, but he still got nailed in civil court. I'm hoping Florida Man gets the same.
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Paingod wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:16 amAll the best lawyers got OJ off, but he still got nailed in civil court. I'm hoping Florida Man gets the same.
I get the hope but the history of these type of lawsuits doesn't give this a very high chance of going anywhere.
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Paingod wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:16 am
malchior wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:34 pm
Jaymann wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:28 pm NAACP sues Florida Man.
Washington — A Democratic congressman and the NAACP filed a lawsuit in federal court Tuesday alleging former President Donald Trump and his attorney Rudy Giuliani, along with far-right extremist groups, conspired to incite the January 6 assault on the U.S. Capitol to block Congress from reaffirming President Biden's win in the presidential election.
Civil matter = "preponderance of the evidence."
Anyone want to guess the outcome? There are no damages? No standing?
All the best lawyers got OJ off, but he still got nailed in civil court. I'm hoping Florida Man gets the same.
If we're using OJ as an example then there is hope that Florida Man will eventually go to prison for something.
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Scraper wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:14 am
Paingod wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:16 am
malchior wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:34 pm
Jaymann wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:28 pm NAACP sues Florida Man.
Washington — A Democratic congressman and the NAACP filed a lawsuit in federal court Tuesday alleging former President Donald Trump and his attorney Rudy Giuliani, along with far-right extremist groups, conspired to incite the January 6 assault on the U.S. Capitol to block Congress from reaffirming President Biden's win in the presidential election.
Civil matter = "preponderance of the evidence."
Anyone want to guess the outcome? There are no damages? No standing?
All the best lawyers got OJ off, but he still got nailed in civil court. I'm hoping Florida Man gets the same.
If we're using OJ as an example then there is hope that Florida Man will eventually go to prison for something.
Maybe in a few years' time he'll be breaking into a political antiques dealer to try and steal his "Biggest Crowd Size" award and get nabbed.
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OJ and Florida Man. There’s a joke in there somewhere for someone willing to dig for it.
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Apparently they have played golf together, but OJ is no fan of Florida Man.
O.J. Simpson is getting political -- railing against his old pal Donald Trump's MAGA catchphrase ... while begging people to vote.
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Jaymann wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:01 am Apparently they have played golf together, but OJ is no fan of Florida Man.
O.J. Simpson is getting political -- railing against his old pal Donald Trump's MAGA catchphrase ... while begging people to vote.
I didn't laugh. :P
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Supreme Court says prosecutors can have Trump's tax returns:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/22/politics ... index.html
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This should escalate quickly.
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Can he just appeal again? It seems like he can just stall forever. It's ridiculous.
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Octavious wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:04 am Can he just appeal again? It seems like he can just stall forever. It's ridiculous.
This is it for his ability to stall on the tax returns for NY. Though it doesn't change that it has been utterly ridiculous so far. Just last week, the near delay of a month since he wasn't President was raising questions wondering whether it was possible that there was political battling going on behind the scenes to get this order out the door. I doubt we will know the answer to that question any time soon or ever.
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Octavious wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:04 am Can he just appeal again? It seems like he can just stall forever. It's ridiculous.
To whom? The Super-Supreme Court?
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I'm just waiting for the next appeal on some basic evidentiary matter to go on for years. Though perhaps the tax returns are the missing piece to some case.

As an aside, Trump's lawyers miscalculated a bit on this. There was a report just a few days ago that were going to wait out the maximum time (~150 days) to file an objection a petition for oral arguments to try to drag this out more.

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BREAKING: After 4 months of inaction, SCOTUS in a one-sentence unsigned order declines Trump's request to further postpone enforcement of a Manhattan DA subpoena for his financial records. The order clears the way for a NY grand jury to obtain the records & review them in secret.
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Are we talking about the tax returns the NYT already obtained and released last year or something more/different?
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Financial, not tax.
It's almost as if people are the problem.
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This is the Kriminal Sopena that's going to crack this case wide open, yes?
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Zaxxon wrote:
Octavious wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:04 am Can he just appeal again? It seems like he can just stall forever. It's ridiculous.
To whom? The Super-Supreme Court?
I don't know anymore. It just always seems that he finds a new way to stall forever.
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Ralph-Wiggum wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:37 am Are we talking about the tax returns the NYT already obtained and released last year or something more/different?
It's unclear if there will be more but it seems reasonable to think since it is from an actual custodian versus another source that it'd be more extensive/complete.
Isgrimnur wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:39 am Financial, not tax.
Mazars will include the tax records.
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Octavious wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:43 am
Zaxxon wrote:
Octavious wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:04 am Can he just appeal again? It seems like he can just stall forever. It's ridiculous.
To whom? The Super-Supreme Court?
I don't know anymore. It just always seems that he finds a new way to stall forever.
To put it in context, the original ruling from the 2nd Circuit was in November 2019. It took SCOTUS a year and a half to kick this back and forth including this 4-month zero comment delay. It is IMO fair to question this. This is just a subpoena for some records. If Vance brings a case, he'll probably be able to delay it for years still.
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It’s gone on for so long, I forgot why they are requesting the records? What’s the specific charge they are investigating or trying to prosecute here?
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Carpet_pissr wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:50 am It’s gone on for so long, I forgot why they are requesting the records? What’s the specific charge they are investigating or trying to prosecute here?
This started off as an investigation into the Stormy Daniels payoff. Essentially I think it'd come down to whether he wrote off a bribe as a business expense but once you have the records and the investigation has begun the potential spider's nest of criminality is there to see as well. There is some discussion that it has expanded to include fraudulent loan applications since they've interviewed his bankers at Deutsche bank. For example, maybe he filed a write off on a tax return while making an opposite statement to his banks - essentially either defrauding the bank or defrauding the treasury.
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This is different then than the investigation into the Trump Organization? Or does it encompass that as well?
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Ralph-Wiggum wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:06 pm This is different then than the investigation into the Trump Organization? Or does it encompass that as well?
The Trump Org one I believe is now 100% civil (at the moment) and being led by NY AG Letitia James. Essentially Vance passed on prosecuting Javanka so she launched the civil investigation based on case notes passed over to her office (as I recall it at least).
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He is handling today's order well. I'm for one shocked that he has not turned over a new leaf.

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Still referring to himself in the third person, I see.
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Let's see. We've got self-reference in the third person, Random Strange Capitalization, other grammatical errors galore, scare quotes, falsehoods both large and small, stream-of-consciousness flow... I think he might have actually typed that up himself!
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Blackhawk wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:28 pm Still referring to himself in the third person, I see.
Jinx! Jinx, I say!
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The happened to no other president because no other president decided to keep their businesses running, have they?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_aff ... nald_Trump

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been involved in 3,500 legal cases in U.S. federal courts and state court, an unprecedented number for a U.S. presidential candidate.[1] Of the 3,500 suits, Trump or one of his companies were plaintiffs in 1,900; defendants in 1,450; and bankruptcy, third party, or other in 150.
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Pretty rich for Trump to comment on what is a threat to our liberty.
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Like the comment in there says, there's no WAY he wrote that third paragraph himself. The rest of it is allllllll him.
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If Trump didn’t have anything to hide, he would have shown his tax returns before running.
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The kernel of truth in that atrociously written...tirade, is that he (and other people!) FEEL that he won the election. That’s really what it’s all about.

Hey illiterate shitbird, I *feel* like I won the lottery. Should I be doused with millions of dollars even if my numbers don’t match?

Fucking moron. I wish I had not even read that garbage. My overall mood has been so much better lately without reading or hearing his constant, whiny fucking squawking.
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This is why I have pledged to never read or listen to any utterances from Florida Man again. There is no upside. Ever.
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malchior wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:24 pm He is handling today's order well. I'm for one shocked that he has not turned over a new leaf.
I have to say, I've been so happy to not hear his every whiny self-aggrandizing Tweet this last month that I was willing to read the first two lines of that before I stopped.
Carpet_pissr wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:29 pmFucking moron. I wish I had not even read that garbage. My overall mood has been so much better lately without reading or hearing his constant, whiny fucking squawking.
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FEEL
That really stood out for me as well. Not the strongest know, not think, not even a weak believe but the weakest of all, feel. I feel like I have worked hard my whole life, have been given the short end of the health stick, have sacrificed everything to keep on keeping on and not be a burden to others, and should have been able to retire at 40 so I could have enjoyed life a bit while I was still young and healthy enough to travel and experience things. But you know reality doesn't give a shit about my feelings on the matter.
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Trump is figuring out ways to communicate. Will it have the impact of his Tweets? It remains to be seen but as usual he is angry and trying to break out of his box. I expect as he gets more harried by the legal system the danger to the system will rise. But we must do it. If we don't figure out a way to actually hold him accountable, this system will be known as deeply flawed. Lawless President's will become the norm. We've had 2.1 lawless Presidents in 50-ish years (Clinton was borderline) and that involved 8 men. That's a pretty shit record for the Head of Government and supposed font for Law and Order.
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Paingod wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:10 am
malchior wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:24 pm He is handling today's order well. I'm for one shocked that he has not turned over a new leaf.
I have to say, I've been so happy to not hear his every whiny self-aggrandizing Tweet this last month that I was willing to read the first two lines of that before I stopped.
Carpet_pissr wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:29 pmFucking moron. I wish I had not even read that garbage. My overall mood has been so much better lately without reading or hearing his constant, whiny fucking squawking.
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malchior wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:26 amIf we don't Whether or not we figure out a way to actually hold him accountable this time, for some small fraction of his clear country-threatening misdeeds, this system will be known as is already proven to be deeply flawed.
FTFY.
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Kraken wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:57 amI still haven't broken the habit of checking for news obsessively every few hours.
I stopped doing that immediately following Biden's inauguration. It was like a switch flipped in my head and I wasn't worried about crazy people doing crazy things from the highest office in the country.

I have returned to checking the news every day or two in order to catch up.
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