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YellowKing wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:34 am Also, being an IT guy, every time I see MFA I read "multi-factor authentication." :D
I see "Museum of Fine Arts".
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YellowKing wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:34 am Also, being an IT guy, every time I see MFA I read "multi-factor authentication." :D
:lol: As do I.
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Kraken wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:55 am
YellowKing wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:34 am Also, being an IT guy, every time I see MFA I read "multi-factor authentication." :D
I see "Museum of Fine Arts".
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ImLawBoy wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:36 am
Kraken wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:55 am
YellowKing wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:34 am Also, being an IT guy, every time I see MFA I read "multi-factor authentication." :D
I see "Museum of Fine Arts".
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YellowKing wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:34 am Also, being an IT guy, every time I see MFA I read "multi-factor authentication." :D
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Jaymann wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:45 pm Motherfucking A-hole?
Sad to admit.
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Kraken wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:55 am
YellowKing wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:34 am Also, being an IT guy, every time I see MFA I read "multi-factor authentication." :D
I see "Museum of Fine Arts".
I should see multi factor authentication but I usually see 2FA because until recently two factors is all anyone cared about. First I try to figure out which film or fighting association MFA stands for, then when I can't figure it out, I also see Museum of Fine Arts.
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Jeff V wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:39 pm Mighty Fine Ass.
Elizabeth Warren's mighty fine ass? Wut?
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Freyland wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 5:16 pm
Jeff V wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:39 pm Mighty Fine Ass.
Elizabeth Warren's mighty fine ass? Wut?
I thought he was talking about mine.
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noxiousdog wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:38 pm
Freyland wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 5:16 pm
Jeff V wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:39 pm Mighty Fine Ass.
Elizabeth Warren's mighty fine ass? Wut?
I thought he was talking about mine.
I thought he was talking about one of the football associations in the post immediately above his.

1. Minster and Mauritius are both mighty fine assns indeed.

2. Jeff is well known to be a wealth of soccer knowledge and a font of love for the game.

3. Elizabeth Warren yada yada yada
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ImLawBoy wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:36 am
Kraken wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:55 am
YellowKing wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:34 am Also, being an IT guy, every time I see MFA I read "multi-factor authentication." :D
I see "Museum of Fine Arts".
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YellowKing wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:34 am Also, being an IT guy, every time I see MFA I read "multi-factor authentication." :D
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noxiousdog wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:38 pm
Freyland wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 5:16 pm
Jeff V wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:39 pm Mighty Fine Ass.
Elizabeth Warren's mighty fine ass? Wut?
I thought he was talking about mine.
It wouldn't be the first time. HIs facebook page is literally a shrine to it.
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Kraken wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:55 am
YellowKing wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:34 am Also, being an IT guy, every time I see MFA I read "multi-factor authentication." :D
I see "Museum of Fine Arts".
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Why Bloomberg makes Warren smile.
A Bloomberg candidacy could give Warren her mojo back. What could be better for the Massachusetts senator, who has built her candidacy on the claim that plutocrats control America’s government, than to run against a billionaire 51 times over who keeps slamming her proposed wealth tax, which more than 80 percent of Democrats support. By last night, Warren’s campaign was already fundraising off a possible Bloomberg candidacy. Ironically, the former New York mayor is empowering the very forces that he means to thwart.

If Bloomberg stops anyone, it will most likely be the candidate who actually is rising: Buttigieg. Bloomberg was reportedly animated by Joe Biden’s palpable deficiencies as a candidate. But the South Bend, Indiana, mayor has already capitalized on them. He’s overtaken Biden in Iowa and out-raised him nationwide. He’s moved aggressively into Biden’s centrist lane while drawing more grassroots support than other relative moderates, such as Senators Harris, Cory Booker, Amy Klobuchar, and Michael Bennet. Were Bloomberg primarily interested in ensuring that neither Warren nor Bernie Sanders turned America into another “Venezuela,” he could have done what many other center-left Democratic establishment types have done: given Buttigieg the cash to compete with Warren’s and Sanders’s small-donor-powered campaigns.
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I keep reading this as the Elizabeth Warren slideshow.
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Moody economist who doesn't much like M4A says Warren's numbers are legit.
It's no secret that I'm not a fan of Medicare for All. That's why I'm impressed that Senator Elizabeth Warren's campaign reached out to me to independently review her proposed financing plan for the program. Her numbers add up and her plan fully finances the program without imposing any new taxes on middle-class families.
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Just another socialist millionaire...

Sen. Elizabeth Warren earned nearly $2 million consulting for corporations and financial firms, records show
Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) earned nearly $2 million working as a consultant for corporations and financial firms while she was a law professor at Harvard University, the University of Pennsylvania and other law schools, according to records her campaign abruptly released Sunday evening.

Warren’s consulting work often involved companies dealing with bankruptcy, which was her specialty as an academic. Her campaign had been asked repeatedly for the information and had declined to release it multiple times.

Her work for some of the companies doesn’t fit neatly with her current presidential campaign brand as a crusader against corporate interests.

For instance, the documents released Sunday show that Warren made about $80,000 from work she did for creditors in the energy company Enron’s bankruptcy and $20,000 as a consultant for Dow Chemical, a company that was trying to limit the liability it faced from silicone breast implants that were made by a connected firm.

Earlier this year, Warren had released a list of about 50 cases that she worked on, but the descriptions of the work were at times misleading and the amount of income and dates for her work were not included.
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As a biased fan that would just tell me she is informed.
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Max Peck wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:31 am Just another socialist millionaire...
She's not a socialist. That's a common mistake made by folks who either don't listen to her, who hate her or who aren't sure what socialism really is. Sometimes it's all three.
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The history of US economic politics since FDR is the history of Democrats being called socialists for saving capitalism from collapse.
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hepcat wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:18 am
Max Peck wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:31 am Just another socialist millionaire...
She's not a socialist. That's a common mistake made by folks who either don't listen to her, who hate her or who aren't sure what socialism really is. Sometimes it's all three.
Fair enough. I thought the aside was an obvious throw-away joke, but if that wasn't clear then it's on me.

The actual problem, from where I'm sitting on the sidelines, is the lack of transparency and apparent dishonesty in disclosing who she worked for and how much she was paid. It would be a much better look for her if her campaign had released this information from the get-go, and if the disclosure was complete and forthright.
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To clarify, she made 1.9 million dollars in total over the course of 30 years. That she hasn't released an itemized account of that entire 1.9 million dollars made over the course of 30 years doesn't strike me as particularly ominous. Sometimes you have client confidentiality to deal with when you're representing a company.

And again, since she's NOT a socialist, this whole concept that she should have only been doing pro bono work for the bulk of her career or something is utter nonsense. I'm not a Warren supporter, and even I find this bit of muck raking a non issue.
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Max Peck wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:31 pm The actual problem, from where I'm sitting on the sidelines, is the lack of transparency and apparent dishonesty in disclosing who she worked for and how much she was paid.
Yeah, that really was a HUGE problem for Trump.
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It isn't that she did the work, it's the fact that she seems to have attempted to cover up the fact that she did the work. The campaign resisted releasing information, then released misleading information, then released incomplete information. It's that much more difficult to attack Trump on his lack of transparency when you create the appearance of transparency issues for yourself.
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The opening line of your post that brought this up seemed to indicate otherwise. I need to read up on the reported misleading responses from her and her team.
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Max Peck wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:31 pm
hepcat wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:18 am
Max Peck wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:31 am Just another socialist millionaire...
She's not a socialist. That's a common mistake made by folks who either don't listen to her, who hate her or who aren't sure what socialism really is. Sometimes it's all three.
Fair enough. I thought the aside was an obvious throw-away joke, but if that wasn't clear then it's on me.

The actual problem, from where I'm sitting on the sidelines, is the lack of transparency and apparent dishonesty in disclosing who she worked for and how much she was paid. It would be a much better look for her if her campaign had released this information from the get-go, and if the disclosure was complete and forthright.
I'm not a Warren fan, but this is kind of ridiculous. There's no way any consultant should be expected to track their entire work history over the last 30 years let alone including compensation.

Tack on a major career change? This is some serious tilting at windmills.
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noxiousdog wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:32 pm
Max Peck wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:31 pm
hepcat wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:18 am
Max Peck wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:31 am Just another socialist millionaire...
She's not a socialist. That's a common mistake made by folks who either don't listen to her, who hate her or who aren't sure what socialism really is. Sometimes it's all three.
Fair enough. I thought the aside was an obvious throw-away joke, but if that wasn't clear then it's on me.

The actual problem, from where I'm sitting on the sidelines, is the lack of transparency and apparent dishonesty in disclosing who she worked for and how much she was paid. It would be a much better look for her if her campaign had released this information from the get-go, and if the disclosure was complete and forthright.
I'm not a Warren fan, but this is kind of ridiculous. There's no way any consultant should be expected to track their entire work history over the last 30 years let alone including compensation.

Tack on a major career change? This is some serious tilting at windmills.
It's more like 17 years and $400K was from just two jobs.
So it's not like this is all a bunch of penny-ante stuff.
While the cases released by Warren’s campaign stretch over more than three decades, the figures disclosed Sunday show that nearly all of the money was made from cases filed after she got her job at Harvard in 1995. (Warren was elected to the Senate in 2012.)

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The income includes about $212,000 for representing Travelers Indemnity Co. in 2009, and $190,000 for what her campaign described as representing a chain of department stores owned by PA Bergner & Co. in the mid-1990s.

Warren’s campaign did not release compensation information for all of the cases, reporting in some instances — including a case involving First Commercial Bank — that “the campaign has no compensation records for this case.”
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LawBeefaroni wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:45 pm
noxiousdog wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:32 pm
Max Peck wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:31 pm
hepcat wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:18 am
Max Peck wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:31 am Just another socialist millionaire...
She's not a socialist. That's a common mistake made by folks who either don't listen to her, who hate her or who aren't sure what socialism really is. Sometimes it's all three.
Fair enough. I thought the aside was an obvious throw-away joke, but if that wasn't clear then it's on me.

The actual problem, from where I'm sitting on the sidelines, is the lack of transparency and apparent dishonesty in disclosing who she worked for and how much she was paid. It would be a much better look for her if her campaign had released this information from the get-go, and if the disclosure was complete and forthright.
I'm not a Warren fan, but this is kind of ridiculous. There's no way any consultant should be expected to track their entire work history over the last 30 years let alone including compensation.

Tack on a major career change? This is some serious tilting at windmills.
It's more like 17 years and $400K was from just two jobs.
So it's not like this is all a bunch of penny-ante stuff.
While the cases released by Warren’s campaign stretch over more than three decades, the figures disclosed Sunday show that nearly all of the money was made from cases filed after she got her job at Harvard in 1995. (Warren was elected to the Senate in 2012.)

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The income includes about $212,000 for representing Travelers Indemnity Co. in 2009, and $190,000 for what her campaign described as representing a chain of department stores owned by PA Bergner & Co. in the mid-1990s.

Warren’s campaign did not release compensation information for all of the cases, reporting in some instances — including a case involving First Commercial Bank — that “the campaign has no compensation records for this case.”
I read the article.

I remember approximately what I've made at my job the last 3 or 4 years. I have no clue before that. Certainly not when I was billing hourly, which I'm pretty sure is what lawyers do especially in cases like hers. $400k for a lawyer in those kind of cases is pretty routine I'd think. I know a computer professional who made 80k in overtime alone over two years. Not as a project manager or anything, but just as a technical lead.

Are you really suggesting we should be mad because she's not posting her resume and salary history?
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noxiousdog wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:32 pm
Max Peck wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:31 pm
hepcat wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:18 am
Max Peck wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:31 am Just another socialist millionaire...
She's not a socialist. That's a common mistake made by folks who either don't listen to her, who hate her or who aren't sure what socialism really is. Sometimes it's all three.
Fair enough. I thought the aside was an obvious throw-away joke, but if that wasn't clear then it's on me.

The actual problem, from where I'm sitting on the sidelines, is the lack of transparency and apparent dishonesty in disclosing who she worked for and how much she was paid. It would be a much better look for her if her campaign had released this information from the get-go, and if the disclosure was complete and forthright.
I'm not a Warren fan, but this is kind of ridiculous. There's no way any consultant should be expected to track their entire work history over the last 30 years let alone including compensation.

Tack on a major career change? This is some serious tilting at windmills.
+1. She worked hard and made good money before she went into politics. Good for her. If anything, that should reassure those who doubt her capitalist cred.
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I've always wondered why Warren doesn't make more out of her conversion away from the GOP. I think she was a Republican until 1996. It seems like it should be a key part of her story.
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noxiousdog wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:15 pm

I remember approximately what I've made at my job the last 3 or 4 years. I have no clue before that. Certainly not when I was billing hourly, which I'm pretty sure is what lawyers do especially in cases like hers. $400k for a lawyer in those kind of cases is pretty routine I'd think. I know a computer professional who made 80k in overtime alone over two years. Not as a project manager or anything, but just as a technical lead.

Are you really suggesting we should be mad because she's not posting her resume and salary history?
I don't expect anything. Her campaign voluntarily released it. Presumably to get ahead of many criticism. But now it's out there and it will get scrutinized. So yes, she kept records.

My only point was that it's not totally, unbelievably, very bad, no good crazy for someone to discuss it.
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Holman wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:03 pm I've always wondered why Warren doesn't make more out of her conversion away from the GOP. I think she was a Republican until 1996. It seems like it should be a key part of her story.
I think that would help in the general, but I'm not sure that it would play so well in the primary, when voters are more interested in your Democratic bona fides. Or at least, I imagine Warren's campaign would be worried about that.
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El Guapo wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:59 pm
Holman wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:03 pm I've always wondered why Warren doesn't make more out of her conversion away from the GOP. I think she was a Republican until 1996. It seems like it should be a key part of her story.
I think that would help in the general, but I'm not sure that it would play so well in the primary, when voters are more interested in your Democratic bona fides. Or at least, I imagine Warren's campaign would be worried about that.
Yep. In a party where the squeakiest wheels are demanding progressive purity, I don't think Elizabeth Warren is about to start trying to craft a narrative that emphasizes that she ever saw anything remotely redeeming about the GOP.
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The Russian Republicans are certain to apply a double standard and feed the self-destructive progressive frenzy.

Warren was highly in demand as an expert in her field. That success is something conservatives should value — rather than weaponizing.
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NPR has done a segment on Warren that I thought was interesting - reminding everyone that she used to be a conservative Republican that wanted to blame people for rigging the system and using bankruptcy as a cop-out to get away with financial murder. Something Trump is guilty of. Bankruptcy law was/is kind of her thing.

Then, 20 years ago, she set out to find the truth of it and see who was exploiting the system and how. She spent a long time putting together reams of data to find the bums and con men abusing the system. In the end, she concluded that average Americans, not welfare queens and con men, were being ground under the heel of the banking system, which was taking advantage of them and systematically ruining their lives for their own profit. It changed her views on what being a conservative meant and she ended up switching parties.

I have a deep respect for anyone who can actually come up against something that conflicts with their world view, absorb it, work through it, and change their beliefs because of it. Most of the GOP today would get the same data and shred it in the middle of the night without wanting to risk anyone else finding it, and then emerge the next day to declare it all fake news and liberal lies without ever breaking stride.
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2021-01-20: The first good night's sleep I had in 4 years.
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