Octopus Overlords

Smoove_B wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:54 pm

Kraken wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:23 pm I'm starting to entertain the idea that democracy isn't up to the challenge and might not be worth saving.

I am thinking our legacy will be to serve as an example of what happens when a significant portion of a society values personal liberty above everything else.

Defiant wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:30 pm

Smoove_B wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:54 pm

Kraken wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:23 pm I'm starting to entertain the idea that democracy isn't up to the challenge and might not be worth saving.

I am thinking our legacy will be to serve as an example of what happens when a significant portion of a society values personal liberty above everything else.

I think you mean "values screwing the rest of society above everything else". What they want is liberal tears, not personal liberty.

Grifman wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:33 pm

Defiant wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:30 pm

Smoove_B wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:54 pm

Kraken wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:23 pm I'm starting to entertain the idea that democracy isn't up to the challenge and might not be worth saving.

I am thinking our legacy will be to serve as an example of what happens when a significant portion of a society values personal liberty above everything else.

I think you mean "values screwing the rest of society above everything else". What they want is liberal tears, not personal liberty.

Yeah, I think it has less to do with personal liberty (though there is some of that) but is more about a cultish allegiance to Trump. To wear a mask or get a vaccine means Trump was wrong about the severity of the pandemic, and that would mean they were wrong about supporting Trump. And "god" and the true believers just can't be wrong.

“I no longer have any intention of sacrificing my life, my time, my freedom and the adolescence of my daughters, as well as their right to study properly, for those who refuse to be vaccinated. This time you stay at home,not us. In France, those who do not get vaccinated will no longer be able to go to restaurants, cafes (from the beginning of August), cinemas and museums (from July 21) and get on airplanes or trains (again from August). Alternatively, you will have to submit a negative test, which will no longer be free (49 euros for the PCR, 29 for the antigen).

"We cannot make those who have the civic sense to get vaccinated bear the burden of inconvenience," Macron said. "The restrictions will weigh on others, those who for reasons incomprehensible in the country of Louis Pasteur, science and the Enlightenment still hesitate to use the only weapon available against the pandemic, the vaccine."

"I am aware of what I am asking you," he said, "and I know that you are ready for this commitment. This is, in a sense, part of your sense of duty."

Smoove_B wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:44 am Contrast what's happening in America to what Macron just said for France:

“I no longer have any intention of sacrificing my life, my time, my freedom and the adolescence of my daughters, as well as their right to study properly, for those who refuse to be vaccinated. This time you stay at home,not us.

"I am aware of what I am asking you," he said, "and I know that you are ready for this commitment. This is, in a sense, part of your sense of duty."

Skinypupy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:29 pm

Smoove_B wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:44 am Contrast what's happening in America to what Macron just said for France:

“I no longer have any intention of sacrificing my life, my time, my freedom and the adolescence of my daughters, as well as their right to study properly, for those who refuse to be vaccinated. This time you stay at home,not us.

"I am aware of what I am asking you," he said, "and I know that you are ready for this commitment. This is, in a sense, part of your sense of duty."

I love this statement...and could you even begin to imagine the conservative howling that would happen if it were to be said here.

Smoove_B wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:44 am I could easily spin the personal liberty angle into the gun insanity to demonstrate how the idea has poisoned our society, but this is a thread on COVID19.

Contrast what's happening in America to what Macron just said for France:

“I no longer have any intention of sacrificing my life, my time, my freedom and the adolescence of my daughters, as well as their right to study properly, for those who refuse to be vaccinated. This time you stay at home,not us. In France, those who do not get vaccinated will no longer be able to go to restaurants, cafes (from the beginning of August), cinemas and museums (from July 21) and get on airplanes or trains (again from August). Alternatively, you will have to submit a negative test, which will no longer be free (49 euros for the PCR, 29 for the antigen).

"We cannot make those who have the civic sense to get vaccinated bear the burden of inconvenience," Macron said. "The restrictions will weigh on others, those who for reasons incomprehensible in the country of Louis Pasteur, science and the Enlightenment still hesitate to use the only weapon available against the pandemic, the vaccine."

"I am aware of what I am asking you," he said, "and I know that you are ready for this commitment. This is, in a sense, part of your sense of duty."

Skinypupy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 6:14 pm So, while Macron did make those policy restrictions for the unvaccinated, he appears that he didn't actually say any of that.

El Guapo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:41 pm Shouldn't blue states and cities start imposing limits like this? Or at least some type of vaccine passport type system?

gbasden wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:25 am

El Guapo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:41 pm Shouldn't blue states and cities start imposing limits like this? Or at least some type of vaccine passport type system?

Yes. Fuck yes.

Smoove_B wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 6:19 pm

Skinypupy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 6:14 pm So, while Macron did make those policy restrictions for the unvaccinated, he appears that he didn't actually say any of that.

Huh. The internet lied to me! I'd seen it shared by a legitimate account and just assumed it was translated from French.

He should have said all of it, because it's true; that is unfortunate. Maybe he'll come out tomorrow and read it.

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy’s trip to Israel got postponed. Nearly half of House members are masked on the floor again. One Senate Democrat even floated a “proof of vaccination” card to enter the Capitol.

As Covid infections have crept back onto the Hill, they've shattered the sense of calm that had just begun to settle across the complex after the deadly pandemic and insurrection. After a weekslong trudge toward normalcy, fears are now spiking over the highly contagious Delta variant, which the Capitol physician confirmed Tuesday has been reported in Capitol office buildings.

Several fully vaccinated individuals on the Hill have tested positive for the virus — including the first known member of Congress since January — spurring a heightened sense of unease for the thousands of people who traverse the Capitol complex each day.

This is a very odd remark, given that 100 percent of Democrats in Congress have said they are vaccinated against the Coronavirus.

Ronny Jackson: I think you as a press have a responsibility to ask questions of the Democrats as well. How many of the Democrats are willing to say whether or not they’ve been vaccinated?

Skinypupy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:21 pm I'm sure that if we can all treat him very nicely, provide relevant data, and seek to understand his feelings, we can finally get through to guys like this.

Elected officials in a Michigan county gave themselves $65,000 in bonuses with federal relief money related to the coronavirus pandemic.

Daehawk wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:08 pm My town is nuts. At Walmart this morning I counted 5 people with a mask...I made 6. No one else.

Blackhawk wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:26 pm

Daehawk wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:08 pm My town is nuts. At Walmart this morning I counted 5 people with a mask...I made 6. No one else.

With the exception of the doctor's office, I haven't seen a single mask in a month. They simply don't exist anymore.

Here’s the major reason we need to go back to indoor mask mandates in grocery stores & schools: Without a reliable system to determine proof of vaccination, it’s not possible to tell who is vaccinated & who is not. The honor system does not work.

Jaymann wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:33 pm

Blackhawk wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:26 pm

Daehawk wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:08 pm My town is nuts. At Walmart this morning I counted 5 people with a mask...I made 6. No one else.

With the exception of the doctor's office, I haven't seen a single mask in a month. They simply don't exist anymore.

I see them a lot worn by restaurant employees. Customers maybe 25%.

Huckabee Sanders vows not to impose mask, vaccine mandates if elected governor of Arkansas

Daehawk wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:23 pm I still cant grasp that guy that nearly died of covid yet refuses a shot because its good for him or he was told to get it. Thats some serious stubborn stupidity.

Protesters then ask her if she’s familiar with the Civil Rights Act. “Get on the right side of history,” one man says. “You’ve got a lot of anger you need to release. It’s a very dangerous emotion.”

Tensions continued to rise as more far-right, anti-maskers arrived on the scene. A small group of anti-fascists also arrived, and got into altercations with the far-right. A woman holding a megaphone shoved Burns, and then punched her several times. Burns said, on social media, that the woman hit her in the chest and struck her scars.