Holy shit.Punisher wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:16 am
To me, this new angle makes it clear that the officer in the white cap did not see it. The fact that he snaps his head to look after the fact would seem to indicate that as well. I suspect he may have heard the hit and turned after the fact. similar to that video with the old protestor who cracked his head on the ground. there is an angle from across the street where the crack can be heard and several officers turn to look. They heard something but didn't see anything.
The one pointing the finger seems to be the bald guy in front and unless he's undercover, I don't see any police patches or anything so I'm not sure he's a cop. There is another cop that can be seen walking up in the back right after the fact so no idea where he was looking.
Also, if there is a mob of people surrounding someone then no the cops wouldn't always be focusing on the person being surrounded they would be trying to scan the mob. I also don't know how many officers were actually there. I can only see 2 total and they can't look everywhere at once.
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Not sure what you mean. Holy Shit I'm the greatest poster in the history of OO? Holy Shit, I'm full of shit? Somewhere in the middle?Alefroth wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:32 pmHoly shit.Punisher wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:16 am
To me, this new angle makes it clear that the officer in the white cap did not see it. The fact that he snaps his head to look after the fact would seem to indicate that as well. I suspect he may have heard the hit and turned after the fact. similar to that video with the old protestor who cracked his head on the ground. there is an angle from across the street where the crack can be heard and several officers turn to look. They heard something but didn't see anything.
The one pointing the finger seems to be the bald guy in front and unless he's undercover, I don't see any police patches or anything so I'm not sure he's a cop. There is another cop that can be seen walking up in the back right after the fact so no idea where he was looking.
Also, if there is a mob of people surrounding someone then no the cops wouldn't always be focusing on the person being surrounded they would be trying to scan the mob. I also don't know how many officers were actually there. I can only see 2 total and they can't look everywhere at once.
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Holy shit I can't believe you watched that and came away with the cops weren't behaving badly.
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Again, That's what I saw. Can you see something different? Can you see and know for a fact that the cop saw the hit? It really didn't look like it and if he had to turn his head toward the person who got hit, my logic says that he wasn't looking at him in the first place.
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There's so much more going on before and after the hit though. Just the way he yells at the protester after he complains about being punched earns it a place in the Cops Behaving Badly thread.Punisher wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:58 pmAgain, That's what I saw. Can you see something different? Can you see and know for a fact that the cop saw the hit? It really didn't look like it and if he had to turn his head toward the person who got hit, my logic says that he wasn't looking at him in the first place.
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The cop in the back studying the ground as a mob surrounds a guy screaming at him says much. 'I SEE NOTHING!'
I give that guy mounds of credit. He got slapped by a piece of shit coward in the head. You can see him take a moment to compose himself and not give that cop an excuse to turn on him with a crowd yelling at him. Fuck that town and fuck those police.Alefroth wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:00 pmThere's so much more going on before and after the hit though. Just the way he yells at the protester after he complains about being punched earns it a place in the Cops Behaving Badly thread.Punisher wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:58 pmAgain, That's what I saw. Can you see something different? Can you see and know for a fact that the cop saw the hit? It really didn't look like it and if he had to turn his head toward the person who got hit, my logic says that he wasn't looking at him in the first place.
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Antonio Smith. Crime: Waiting while black. Punishment: Bear hug and body slam from behind while attempting to comply with a request for ID. Currently suing for $700,000. It's disturbing how casually the second officer shows up and breaks the man with no warning, only telling him to put his hands behind his back AFTER wrapping him in a bear hug so he can't possibly move.
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Sitting in his patrol car in Wilmington, N.C., Officer Michael “Kevin” Piner predicted Black Lives Matter protests would soon lead to civil war. “I’m ready,” Piner told another officer, adding that he planned to buy an assault rifle.
“We are just going to go out and start slaughtering them f------ n------,” he said.
The shocking threat came amid extended, openly racist conversations between Piner, 44, and two other police officers, 50-year-old Cpl. Jesse E. Moore II, and 48-year-old Officer James “Brian” Gilmore. In the discussions, taped by accident on a patrol car camera and released Wednesday by the department, the men freely drop racial slurs, suggest killing black residents and deride protesters.
“Wipe 'em off the f------ map,” Piner said of African Americans. “That’ll put 'em back about four or five generations.”
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Jesus. I mean I know they're out there but that is still scary as fuck.Pyperkub wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:34 pm What the effing eff?
Sitting in his patrol car in Wilmington, N.C., Officer Michael “Kevin” Piner predicted Black Lives Matter protests would soon lead to civil war. “I’m ready,” Piner told another officer, adding that he planned to buy an assault rifle.
“We are just going to go out and start slaughtering them f------ n------,” he said.
The shocking threat came amid extended, openly racist conversations between Piner, 44, and two other police officers, 50-year-old Cpl. Jesse E. Moore II, and 48-year-old Officer James “Brian” Gilmore. In the discussions, taped by accident on a patrol car camera and released Wednesday by the department, the men freely drop racial slurs, suggest killing black residents and deride protesters.
“Wipe 'em off the f------ map,” Piner said of African Americans. “That’ll put 'em back about four or five generations.”
Also, what is with Michael "Kevin" Piner and James "Brian" Gilmore? "I'm James, but you can call me Brian."
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Four police officers in San Jose, California, have been placed on leave while the department says it is investigating alleged racist and anti-Muslim posts on Facebook.
The investigation apparently grew out of a blog post Friday on Medium by an anonymous author who claims to be "the partner of an active law enforcement officer in a San Francisco Bay Area police department."
The Medium article includes screenshots of alleged posts by active and retired San Jose officers, including some that the author says were posted to a private Facebook group of both retired and current officers in the city.
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The screenshots include an alleged post by a retired officer who lambastes Black Lives Matter protesters as “racist idiots,” “un-American” and “enemies.” Another screenshot, allegedly of a post by a current officer in San Jose, says, “Black lives don’t really matter.”
The article also includes screenshots of anti-Muslim posts allegedly made in the private Facebook group, including one comment saying, “I say re-purpose the hijabs into nooses.”
Officer Gina Tepoorten, a spokesperson for the San Jose Police Department, said an administrative probe into the comments is underway, and "four of our officers have been placed on administrative leave while the investigation is conducted."
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Just shows you that some cops in the US believe their job is to protect White people and White owned property. The hell with everyone else.
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Bold above is mine.
I can absolutely agree with this, just as I can absolutely agree that there are racists cops, idiot cops, asshole cops, etc.. This also applies to all walks of life and professions.
I do get tweaked over blanket statements and when people automatically assume it's all cops that are one of the above.
I also get tweaked when people automatically assume a particular incident is racist or a violation of use of force or something before all the evidence is found out. Yes, cops should be held to a higher standard, but just like everyone else they should be presumed innocent.
Especially when someone releases a short clip of video in the middle of something or at the end with no context on what happened leading up to it.
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Not trying to make this R&P, but: Bolding unnecessary, we all saw the some. And using the emphasis and the "not all" argument is a diversion tactic. Everyone knows not all cops are bad. Enough of them clearly are that the conversation needs to be had, and it needs to be had openly, honestly, painfully, and without mitigating all of the horror. It's just not the time for the "Not all" argument right now.Punisher wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:07 amBold above is mine.
I can absolutely agree with this, just as I can absolutely agree that there are racists cops, idiot cops, asshole cops, etc.. This also applies to all walks of life and professions.
I do get tweaked over blanket statements and when people automatically assume it's all cops that are one of the above.
I also get tweaked when people automatically assume a particular incident is racist or a violation of use of force or something before all the evidence is found out. Yes, cops should be held to a higher standard, but just like everyone else they should be presumed innocent.
Especially when someone releases a short clip of video in the middle of something or at the end with no context on what happened leading up to it.
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This is a good step. They way you show not all cops are racists are by speaking up rather than covering up. The good officers know who the bad officers are — and need to help do something about it.
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I got pulled over once by a nice cop who let me off with a warning. Just like on the Chapplle Show.
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Just like using the "This also applies to all walks of life and professions." is deflecting scrutiny away from where it really needs to be.MHS wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:57 amNot trying to make this R&P, but: Bolding unnecessary, we all saw the some. And using the emphasis and the "not all" argument is a diversion tactic. Everyone knows not all cops are bad. Enough of them clearly are that the conversation needs to be had, and it needs to be had openly, honestly, painfully, and without mitigating all of the horror. It's just not the time for the "Not all" argument right now.Punisher wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:07 amBold above is mine.
I can absolutely agree with this, just as I can absolutely agree that there are racists cops, idiot cops, asshole cops, etc.. This also applies to all walks of life and professions.
I do get tweaked over blanket statements and when people automatically assume it's all cops that are one of the above.
I also get tweaked when people automatically assume a particular incident is racist or a violation of use of force or something before all the evidence is found out. Yes, cops should be held to a higher standard, but just like everyone else they should be presumed innocent.
Especially when someone releases a short clip of video in the middle of something or at the end with no context on what happened leading up to it.
I think this thread really belongs in R&P anyway.
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That’s the thing.. I don’t think that everyone understands (not saying people here necessarily although I have gotten that impression in the past. This is a public forum) I have seen a lot of blanket statements that cops are bad, cops are racist, etc.. I firmly believe that the good cops far outnumber the bad cops. There may be certain areas where that is reversed but if it was as wide spread as some people make it out to be we would be hearing about it a lot more in this digital video age.MHS wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:57 amNot trying to make this R&P, but: Bolding unnecessary, we all saw the some. And using the emphasis and the "not all" argument is a diversion tactic. Everyone knows not all cops are bad. Enough of them clearly are that the conversation needs to be had, and it needs to be had openly, honestly, painfully, and without mitigating all of the horror. It's just not the time for the "Not all" argument right now.Punisher wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:07 amBold above is mine.
I can absolutely agree with this, just as I can absolutely agree that there are racists cops, idiot cops, asshole cops, etc.. This also applies to all walks of life and professions.
I do get tweaked over blanket statements and when people automatically assume it's all cops that are one of the above.
I also get tweaked when people automatically assume a particular incident is racist or a violation of use of force or something before all the evidence is found out. Yes, cops should be held to a higher standard, but just like everyone else they should be presumed innocent.
Especially when someone releases a short clip of video in the middle of something or at the end with no context on what happened leading up to it.
Yes I agree that the good cops should also be helping when and where they can to weed out the bad cops.
Not trying to deflect anything but trying to play devils advocate and make sure that this isn’t seen as a cop wide issue. Yes, In the areas where this happens it needs to be fixed, but I really don’t think it’s a system wide issue.
As for R&P, I honestly thought this was already there but never gave it a big thought because I don’t think I’ve crossed any politeness lines and if I did I apologize because that’s not my intent.
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I'm fully on-board with good cops not being "good" anymore if they're covering for bad cops. While all walks of life have good and bad people, you won't find the good people so eager to cover up for the bad ones in any other field. I think even the military is more willing to eject the bad seeds than police forces are. You'll never catch an IT person or a Nurse covering for the jerk in their department just because they share the same title. The "Us vs. Them" runs real deep in police mentality, with "Us" seeming to overcome common sense and decency too often.Punisher wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:27 pmYes I agree that the good cops should also be helping when and where they can to weed out the bad cops.MHS wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:57 amEveryone knows not all cops are bad. Enough of them clearly are that the conversation needs to be had, and it needs to be had openly, honestly, painfully, and without mitigating all of the horror. It's just not the time for the "Not all" argument right now.
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You haven't crossed any politeness lines, no need for an apology.
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There's a line in Connelly's Bosch novels which applies here - "Everybody counts or nobody counts."Punisher wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:27 pmThat’s the thing.. I don’t think that everyone understands (not saying people here necessarily although I have gotten that impression in the past. This is a public forum) I have seen a lot of blanket statements that cops are bad, cops are racist, etc.. I firmly believe that the good cops far outnumber the bad cops. There may be certain areas where that is reversed but if it was as wide spread as some people make it out to be we would be hearing about it a lot more in this digital video age.MHS wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:57 amNot trying to make this R&P, but: Bolding unnecessary, we all saw the some. And using the emphasis and the "not all" argument is a diversion tactic. Everyone knows not all cops are bad. Enough of them clearly are that the conversation needs to be had, and it needs to be had openly, honestly, painfully, and without mitigating all of the horror. It's just not the time for the "Not all" argument right now.Punisher wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:07 amBold above is mine.
I can absolutely agree with this, just as I can absolutely agree that there are racists cops, idiot cops, asshole cops, etc.. This also applies to all walks of life and professions.
I do get tweaked over blanket statements and when people automatically assume it's all cops that are one of the above.
I also get tweaked when people automatically assume a particular incident is racist or a violation of use of force or something before all the evidence is found out. Yes, cops should be held to a higher standard, but just like everyone else they should be presumed innocent.
Especially when someone releases a short clip of video in the middle of something or at the end with no context on what happened leading up to it.
Yes I agree that the good cops should also be helping when and where they can to weed out the bad cops.
Not trying to deflect anything but trying to play devils advocate and make sure that this isn’t seen as a cop wide issue. Yes, In the areas where this happens it needs to be fixed, but I really don’t think it’s a system wide issue.
As for R&P, I honestly thought this was already there but never gave it a big thought because I don’t think I’ve crossed any politeness lines and if I did I apologize because that’s not my intent.
How it applies to the "good" cops is this - if you selectively enforce the law so that it doesn't apply to your fellow officers, are you a "good" cop?
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They'd get pilloried by the Union.
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More appropriately called the Police Mafia, really. They pay their protection money each month, keep their mouths shut when something bad happens, and in turn they're all "protected" from society.
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Masai Ujiri is the president of the Toronto Raptors. After his team won the NBA championship, he tried to make his way to the court to celebrate. A security officer stopped him and later filed suit claiming he was struck with a closed fist and suffered a "permanent disability" from the altercation. Yesterday, Ujiri filed a countersuit that included bodycam footage from the officer. You'll be shocked to learn it doesn't support the officer's account.
Yahoo Sports wrote:Eight months later, Strickland filed a federal lawsuit against Ujiri, the Raptors, Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment and the NBA, in which he alleged he'd suffered a "permanent disability" as a result of the altercation, and claimed that Ujiri hit him "in the face and chest with both fists."
But Ujiri's legal team -- Cotchett, Pitre & McCarthy, LLP --- filed a 108-page counterclaim that included an 11-second clip from Strickland's bodycam, painting a completely different picture. In the video, Strickland forcefully shoves Ujiri twice before Ujiri pushes back, and not in the way the deputy had described.
"There is, however, no objective evidence to support Mr. Strickland's alleged injuries and video evidence, including footage from Mr. Strickland's body camera, shows Mr. Strickland subjected Mr. Ujiri to an unprovoked and unnecessary use of excessive force," Ujiri's lawyers wrote in the counterclaim.
Strickland also is described as "undeniably the initial aggressor" by Ujiri's lawyers.
The newly released 6 minutes and 20 seconds of video, consisting of three edited clips, shows Ujiri attempting to walk onto the court and Strickland putting his arm out to stop him while asking for Ujiri's credential -- which clearly is displayed in the video. Strickland then is seen pushing Ujiri.
The counterclaim alleges Strickland told Ujiri to "back the f--k up."
"Why did you push me," Ujiri asks. "I'm the president of the Raptors."
The court filing also contains three witness statements, issued under the penalty of perjury, that support Ujiri's account. All three allege that Ujiri did not hit Strickland with closed fists, nor did he make contact with the deputy's face. Additionally, the statements are consistent in their description of Strickland not falling to the ground, nor appearing injured after the altercation.
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I have enough information now to determine that I hate that man.Strickland also claimed Ujiri had a “violent predisposition” and acted with an “evil motive amounting to malice,” according to his suit and workers' compensation claims.
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In short, he was a black man going about his business. Got it loud and clear, Strickland.McNutt wrote:I have enough information now to determine that I hate that man.Strickland also claimed Ujiri had a “violent predisposition” and acted with an “evil motive amounting to malice,” according to his suit and workers' compensation claims.
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He comes off in the video as an asshole shoving this person for no reason. You know what? I could forgive the guy for that if he just said, "I misinterpreted what you were doing, was out of line, and am really sorry for treating you that way."
Nope. He doubles down and says that he now is too hurt to work because of the damage done and is suing the guy he attacked. I'm glad this guy is getting publicly exposed for the piece of crap he is.
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Money grab. It this wasn't the Raptors president (or another suitably wealthy individual) I doubt the first suit gets filed. Of course if it's not the Raptors president (or another suitably wealthy individual) he probably doesn't have the resources to fight it either.
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You're actually saying that the President of the Toronto Raptors is suing him as a friggin' money grab? After the police department LIED about what happened? He is not entitled to damages? Seriously? Like he even needs the money? What?LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:57 am Money grab. It this wasn't the Raptors president (or another suitably wealthy individual) I doubt the first suit gets filed. Of course if it's not the Raptors president (or another suitably wealthy individual) he probably doesn't have the resources to fight it either.
I mean seriously I realize you appear to be a police apologist but in my opinion that's going way over the line.
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No, the original lawsuit brought by the officer was a money grab. The countersuit is justified IMO.Lorini wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:28 pmYou're actually saying that the President of the Toronto Raptors is suing him as a friggin' money grab? After the police department LIED about what happened? He is not entitled to damages? Seriously? Like he even needs the money? What?LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:57 am Money grab. It this wasn't the Raptors president (or another suitably wealthy individual) I doubt the first suit gets filed. Of course if it's not the Raptors president (or another suitably wealthy individual) he probably doesn't have the resources to fight it either.
I mean seriously I realize you appear to be a police apologist but in my opinion that's going way over the line.
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OK I will strike out what I said. Thanks much for the clarification!!! I know you know a lot about the police so I jumped to the wrong conclusion. Apologies!!!!!!LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:32 pmNo, the original lawsuit brought by the officer was a money grab. The countersuit is justified IMO.Lorini wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:28 pmYou're actually saying that the President of the Toronto Raptors is suing him as a friggin' money grab? After the police department LIED about what happened? He is not entitled to damages? Seriously? Like he even needs the money? What?LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:57 am Money grab. It this wasn't the Raptors president (or another suitably wealthy individual) I doubt the first suit gets filed. Of course if it's not the Raptors president (or another suitably wealthy individual) he probably doesn't have the resources to fight it either.
I mean seriously I realize you appear to be a police apologist but in my opinion that's going way over the line.
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Not a problem, glad you asked!
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How on earth does this crap keep happening?
Barton said she was the one who called the police and asked for a crisis intervention team (CIT). She said her son, who was Asperger's, was having a mental breakdown. She spoke briefly about how she was told how the CIT would respond:
This is how to deal with people with mental health issues. So, you call them, and they're supposed to come out and be able to deescalate a situation using the most minimal force possible.
On the phone with officers, Barton told officers the best way to approach her son:
I said, he's unarmed, he doesn't have anything, he just gets mad and he starts yelling and screaming. He's a kid he's trying to get attention, he doesn't know how to regulate.
She said she was to stay while the two officers went through the front door of the home in the area of 500 S. Navajo Street in the Glendale neighborhood. She said in less than five minutes, she heard "get down on the ground" and several gunshots were heard.
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Why did she call the cops and not the paramedics? Or did she just call 911?
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