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Isgrimnur wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:56 pm Yeah, seems more like a case of affluenza. And she's now known as Soho Karen.
Definitely but in the interview she was asked did you approach everyone and she gave a not real conclusive answer.

I feel she was targeting the young black kid but that's just my view. I was just happy that the Karen was caught and will face some crap over this. She left her phone in her uber ride. When she was given her phone back she didn't even apologize to them.
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The "Daddy" hat is everything here.
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Holman wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:05 pm The "Daddy" hat is everything here.
Any particular meaning?
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Isgrimnur wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:56 pm Yeah, seems more like a case of affluenza. And she's now known as Soho Karen.
I dunno, she seems super sweet to me.
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Jaymann wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:05 pm
Holman wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:05 pm The "Daddy" hat is everything here.
Any particular meaning?
She's 22, so presumably Daddy is funding the lawyers.

Daddy's Little (White) Girl is going to be just fine.
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Of course, who is 'white' has always been a sliding scale.
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Isgrimnur wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:56 pm Yeah, seems more like a case of affluenza. And she's now known as Soho Karen.
Aww, that's not fair to Soho, is it? She's from California.

Ponsetto has a history of run-ins with the law including 2 DUI busts in 2020 and getting arrested with her mom in February for allegedly being drunk in public at the Peninsula hotel in Bev Hills.


Also, while the internet is getting off on this comeuppance, it's a hollow victory. This shit will continue to happen and and people like this are only emboldened in the past few years.
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LawBeefaroni wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:22 pm that's not fair
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Isgrimnur wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:21 pm Of course, who is 'white' has always been a sliding scale.
Stylishly dressed brunette invoking the Manager to attack an uninvolved black teen is absolutely trading on her whiteness.
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Holman wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:25 pm
Isgrimnur wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:21 pm Of course, who is 'white' has always been a sliding scale.
Stylishly dressed brunette invoking the Manager to attack an uninvolved black teen is absolutely trading on her whiteness.
Oh, absolutely.
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If you’re going to release a report that basically condemns any attempt to bring up our sometimes racist history in schools , doing so on Martin Luther King Day seems a little odd.

...did I say odd? I meant appropriate for this administration.
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hepcat wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:27 pm If you’re going to release a report that basically condemns any attempt to bring up our sometimes racist history in schools , doing so on Martin Luther King Day seems a little odd.

...did I say odd? I meant appropriate for this administration.
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hepcat wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:27 pm If you’re going to release a report that basically condemns any attempt to bring up our sometimes racist history in schools , doing so on Martin Luther King Day seems a little odd.

...did I say odd? I meant appropriate for this administration.
Or as my friend said yesterday it felt like a very intentional middle finger to POC.
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In case anyone was wondering what was going on in NYC last night - the NYPD arrested 28 people and broke up a march. This would be horrific to watch under normal circumstances, but given what just happened at the Capitol, it's additionally jarring.
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A few final words from your Secretary of State:

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Smoove_B wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:06 am In case anyone was wondering what was going on in NYC last night - the NYPD arrested 28 people and broke up a march. This would be horrific to watch under normal circumstances, but given what just happened at the Capitol, it's additionally jarring.
I know someone who was out there. They said the police kept pushing them in certain directions and then would charge at them at random. It probably wasn't random. Some person probably hit some legal trip wire such as step into the street. Block an intersection. Etc. The NYPD essentially has turned crowd control into a method of 'forcing errors' and then applying unreasonable force on protesters.

Unfortunately the news always releases the police account as the truth. The problem pushing back on this is that these guys haven't figured out how to competently records these situations. We end up with 20 second shaky clips from cell phones. If we are going to show the world that some of these police departments are out of control (and the NYPD absolutely is) then we need to document it. Even so the NY AG has sued the NYPD for widespread police abuses and wants a Federal monitor.

An example, of the trip wire. The person stepped off the curb / was on the wrong side of the gate. The heavy handed response often sets the crowd off against the police. A more reasonable approach would be to escort them back into compliance. Not a 100% solution but the NYPD often wants the confrontation.

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How can any commentary be made based off that video?
Did he hurl something at one of the cops right before the video starts?

You say yourself the situations aren't competently recorded, then make a judgement on a situation based on a situation that wasn't competently recorded.

We have become a society of speculators.
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stimpy wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:30 am How can any commentary be made based off that video?
Did he hurl something at one of the cops right before the video starts?

You say yourself the situations aren't competently recorded, then make a judgement on a situation based on a situation that wasn't competently recorded.

We have become a society of speculators.
I can't say what did or did not exactly happen at the moment outside of what we see in these videos - which I actually specifically talked to. However, we have plenty of evidence to know enough about the NYPD and their tactics to describe what the larger scale problem is - which is what I actually commented on. What I was implying is that the police version is most likely exaggerated and/or constructed to justify their response. That is how they work. That isn't speculation. We have mountains of evidence and there are dozens of stories in major publications to back that.
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malchior wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:36 am
stimpy wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:30 am How can any commentary be made based off that video?
Did he hurl something at one of the cops right before the video starts?

You say yourself the situations aren't competently recorded, then make a judgement on a situation based on a situation that wasn't competently recorded.

We have become a society of speculators.
I can't say what did or did not exactly happen at the moment outside of what we see in these videos - which I actually specifically talked to. However, we have plenty of evidence to know enough about the NYPD and their tactics to describe what the larger scale problem is which is what I actually commented on. What I was implying is that the police version is most likely exaggerated and/or constructed to justify their response. That is how they work. That isn't speculation. We have mountains of evidence and there are dozens of stories in major publications to back that.
No doubt.
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Holman wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:11 am A few final words from your Secretary of State:

So his final message is:

"America is not multicultural. Take your ass back to where it came from."
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Paingod wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:52 amSo his final message is:

"America is not multicultural. Take your ass back to where it came from."
Yes but there is a secret message encoded in there. I'll translate. "When I run for President in 4 years - remember they called me the Worst Secretary of State in history. It is because I stood up for *you* against *them*"
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Paingod wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:52 am
Holman wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:11 am A few final words from your Secretary of State:

So his final message is:

"America is not multicultural. Take your ass back to where it came from."
Good lord...such an utterly garbage human being.
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malchior wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:55 am
Paingod wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:52 amSo his final message is:
"America is not multicultural. Take your ass back to where it came from."
Yes but there is a secret message encoded in there. I'll translate. "When I run for President in 4 years - remember they called me the Worst Secretary of State in history. It is because I stood up for *you* against *them*"
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He quotes himself in a bumpersticker as if he is some sort of historic wisdom and higher understanding and doing so after licking the taint of the Trump and his selective exposure to propaganda media trying to control the conversation and the platforms the conversation is on right up until trying to deny the election.

He's totally right on his premise. Censorship, wokeness, and political correctness all have pointed to the attempt at authoritarianism cloaked under moral righteousness under the watch of Donald J Trump.

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WaPo: ‘A hack job,’ ‘outright lies’: Trump commission’s ‘1776 Report’ outrages historians.
Historians responded with dismay and anger Monday after the White House’s “1776 Commission” released a report that it said would help Americans better understand the nation’s history by “restoring patriotic education.”

“It’s a hack job. It’s not a work of history,” American Historical Association executive director James Grossman told The Washington Post. “It’s a work of contentious politics designed to stoke culture wars.”

The commission was created in September with a confusing news conference featuring Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson. The 45-page report is largely an attack on decades of historical scholarship, particularly when it comes to the nation’s 400-year-old legacy of slavery, and most of those listed as authors lack any credentials as historians. While claiming to present a nonpartisan history, it compares progressivism to fascism and claims the civil rights movement devolved into “preferential” identity politics “not unlike those advanced by [slavery defender John C.] Calhoun and his followers.”
Boston University historian Ibram X. Kendi tweeted: “This report makes it seems as if slaveholding founding fathers were abolitionists; that Americans were the early beacon of the global abolitionist movement; that the demise of slavery in the United States was inevitable.”

“It’s very hard to find anything in here that stands as a historical claim, or as the work of a historian. Almost everything in it is wrong, just as a matter of fact,” said Eric Rauchway, a history professor at the University of California at Davis. “I may sound a little incoherent when trying to speak of this, because the report itself is not coherent. It’s like historical wackamole.”
Several historians said it was particularly offensive that the report was released on Martin Luther King Jr. Day and included several photos King and quotes they said were taken out of context.

“The suggestion that affirmative action programs are somehow antithetical to the vision of Martin Luther King Jr. is simply ludicrous,” said Princeton historian Kevin M. Kruse. “King was alive when the Johnson administration launched its affirmative action programs and publicly declared his support, specifically noting that it was a logical extension of the struggle for black equality. The document ignores King’s record of support for affirmative action, lamely pointing to the one line conservatives know from his ‘I Have a Dream’ speech and ignoring the rest of his radical record. The fact that this historical distortion of King’s life and work was released on MLK Day makes it even worse.”
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I don't know why they aren't speaking plainly about this. This is straying into debating with them and giving it some air of legitimacy as an alternative viewpoint - even if it is totally wrong. This is straight up fascist revisionist history. The bottom line is Trump heard some people were upset about the 1619 project and set up a 'commission' populated with racist hatemongers meant to foment division.

To that end, people need to stop addressing these things 'academically' and pointing out the flaws and instead talk about the damage it is meant to accomplish. This approach to dealing with these liars by pushing back with facts hasn't worked in the past and it won't work in the future. They don't care what liberal academics say. That is the point of the entire exercise. To show them up.
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Kyle Rittenhouse failed to inform the court of his change of address within 48 hours of moving, Kenosha County prosecutors alleged in a motion filed with Judge Bruce Schroeder. The motion asks Schroeder to issue an arrest warrant and increase Rittenhouse’s bail by $200,000.

Rittenhouse’s attorney, Mark Richards, countered in his own motion Wednesday that death threats have driven Rittenhouse into an “undisclosed Safe House.” Richards said he offered to give prosecutors the new address in November if they would keep it secret but they refused. He said Rittenhouse has stayed in constant contact with him.
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Death threats you say? Clearly he'd be safest then in prison.

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TheMix wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 2:28 pm Death threats you say? Clearly he'd be safest then in prison.
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Isgrimnur wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 12:31 am Image
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Kyle Rittenhouse failed to inform the court of his change of address within 48 hours of moving, Kenosha County prosecutors alleged in a motion filed with Judge Bruce Schroeder. The motion asks Schroeder to issue an arrest warrant and increase Rittenhouse’s bail by $200,000.

Rittenhouse’s attorney, Mark Richards, countered in his own motion Wednesday that death threats have driven Rittenhouse into an “undisclosed Safe House.” Richards said he offered to give prosecutors the new address in November if they would keep it secret but they refused. He said Rittenhouse has stayed in constant contact with him.
The court ruled today that he only needed to provide his address but didn't actually need to reside there. Wait. Really? Is it really your address if you don't reside there...for the purposes of tracking a *murder* defendant?!? The sheriff is in the loop about where he really is at least but this feels...strange.

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Kyle Rittenhouse, who is charged with killing two people during unrest in Kenosha, Wis., last summer, will remain free on $2 million bond despite prosecutors’ efforts to have him rearrested because he violated the terms of his release.

Kenosha County Circuit Judge Bruce Schroeder denied the motion at a virtual hearing Thursday that included statements from the man who survived being shot by Rittenhouse and the father of a man who did not. Rittenhouse appeared virtually, wearing a surgical mask as he sat in an office next to his attorney Mark D. Richards.

Schroeder acknowledged that the 18-year old had failed to keep the court apprised of his residence but disagreed with arguments by Assistant District Attorney Thomas C. Binger, noting that Rittenhouse’s release conditions require only that the defendant provide the court with his address, not that he actually reside there.

“To issue a warrant now for a defendant that has appeared at every hearing would be breaking the law, and I’m not going to do it,” Schroeder said, adding that he lacked the authority to issue the kind of warrant Binger requested.

The legal battle about Rittenhouse’s release terms is just the latest flare-up in a case that has become politically polarizing — with Rittenhouse as the divisive central figure. Several pro-gun and conservative groups have embraced the 18-year-old as a hero; critics, meanwhile, assail Rittenhouse as a dangerous vigilante who broke the law and is being shielded from consequences that non-White defendants rarely avoid.

In debate over secret safe house, prosecutor says Kenosha shooter’s ability to ‘roam freely’ is ‘extremely rare for an accused murderer’

Kenosha County prosecutors petitioned the court last week to rearrest Rittenhouse and increase his bond by $200,000 after they said he did not properly disclose his address; Rittenhouse’s attorneys responded that he moved to a safe house at an undisclosed location because of threats against his life.

In virtual court Thursday, Schroeder ordered Richards to provide the address where Rittenhouse is actually staying and said it would be kept secret from everyone but the judge, the court clerk and the sheriff. Schroeder said the decision was in the interest of safety, though Binger, whose office was excluded from the disclosure, objected to the arrangement.
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Interesting new paper currently in review:



The take-away: BLM protests impact police practices, leading to fewer police homicides, increased uses of body cameras, etc.
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Protests influence local police agencies…. Agencies with protests become more likely to obtain body-cameras, expand community policing, receive a larger operating budget...
Improving police performance and behavior requires more funding, not de-funding? Who knew?

Would be interested to see corresponding crime stats though.
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Denver's STAR program seems to be going well. Maybe it should be a model for other cities.
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Isgrimnur wrote: Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:44 pm CNN
The woman who was caught on video accusing a Central Park birdwatcher of threatening her will be prosecuted, the Manhattan district attorney said Monday.

Amy Cooper, the White woman who was filmed accusing a Black man of threatening her, faces a charge of falsely reporting an incident in the third degree, according to the DA.
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Cooper has been issued a desk appearance ticket and is scheduled for arraignment October 14.
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Under our law, a person is guilty of Falsely Reporting an Incident in the Third Degree when, knowing the information reported, conveyed or circulated to be false or baseless, he or she initiates or circulates a false report or warning of an alleged occurrence or impending occurrence of a crime, catastrophe or emergency under circumstances in which it is not unlikely that public alarm or inconvenience will result.
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Amy Cooper, a white dog owner who was at the center of a controversial encounter with a Black man bird-watching in New York's Central Park last year, had her misdemeanor charge stemming from that incident dropped on Tuesday.

The woman had been facing a charge of falsely reporting an incident to police after she told them Christian Cooper, who is not related to her, threatened her and her dog. He did not.

"Given the issues at hand and Ms. Cooper's lack of criminal background, we offered her, consistent with our position on many misdemeanor cases involving a first arrest, an alternative, restorative justice resolution," Assistant District Attorney Joan Illuzzi told a Manhattan judge, according to a statement provided to NPR.

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Do I need to read to find out what this means
restorative justice resolution
I hate to say it, as I strongly dislike Doxxing, but it least she lost her job. She did not get off scott free in that respect. Otherwise I'd be looking for my pitchfork rather than simply strongly disapproving. :oops:
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LordMortis wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 3:43 pm Do I need to read to find out what this means
restorative justice resolution
I hate to say it, as I strongly dislike Doxxing, but it least she lost her job. She did not get off scott free in that respect. Otherwise I'd be looking for my pitchfork rather than simply strongly disapproving. :oops:
Illuzzi said Cooper completed a total of five sessions and that her therapist described it as a "moving experience," adding that Amy Cooper "learned a lot in their sessions together."

Because Cooper completed the restorative justice sessions to the prosecutor's satisfaction, the Manhattan District Attorney's office moved to dismiss the charge.


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It also noted that Christian Cooper [the victim] declined to participate in the criminal justice process, but added the District Attorney's Office went forward with the proceedings because it determined the offense was not just against Cooper, but also "a threat to the community if allowed to go unchecked."
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The program, Illuzzi explained, is "designed not just to punish but to educate and promote community healing."

Illuzzi said Cooper completed a total of five sessions and that her therapist described it as a "moving experience," adding that Amy Cooper "learned a lot in their sessions together."

Because Cooper completed the restorative justice sessions to the prosecutor's satisfaction, the Manhattan District Attorney's office moved to dismiss the charge.
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For the first time, the Cherokee Nation is asking Jeep to change the name of its Cherokee and Grand Cherokee vehicles.

“I’m sure this comes from a place that is well-intended, but it does not honor us by having our name plastered on the side of a car," Chuck Hoskin, Jr., principal chief of the Cherokee Nation, told Car and Driver in a written statement responding to our request for comment on the issue. "The best way to honor us is to learn about our sovereign government, our role in this country, our history, culture, and language and have meaningful dialogue with federally recognized tribes on cultural appropriateness."

Jeep has been building cars that wear the Cherokee Nation's name for more than 45 years. In that time, the company has gone on the record several times defending its decision to use the name of a Native American nation on its cars. Over the past eight years, since the reintroduction of the Cherokee nameplate to the U.S. market in 2013, the Cherokee Nation has gone on the record, too, but it had never explicitly said that Jeep should change the cars' names.
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LordMortis wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 3:43 pm Do I need to read to find out what this means
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I hate to say it, as I strongly dislike Doxxing, but it least she lost her job. She did not get off scott free in that respect. Otherwise I'd be looking for my pitchfork rather than simply strongly disapproving. :oops:
In a slightly darker timeline, the man she reported would have at least been arrested and potentially even killed by the cops and she'd have been responsible. I'm very okay with her having learned a lasting lesson and not just getting a finger waggle.
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