Legendary buys film and tv rights to Dune [movie] Dune 2021

AWS260 · Post by **AWS260** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:14 am

Lagom Lite wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:22 am
Jeff V wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:42 pm
Holman wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:12 pm
Jeff V wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:56 pm
hepcat wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:52 pm Rumor is that there will be a quarter ass version for tv.
Do they go all-in and trim it to 4:3 aspect ratio?
Portrait mode for the Tik-Tok crowd.
So in the second movie, we can look forward to Paul and Feyd having a dance-off?
Dancing and fighting, there' no difference.

Dancing without rhythm.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:19 am

Ralph-Wiggum wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:16 am Watched it last night and loved it. Every scene was visually striking and I thought the movie was pretty easy to follow, as did my girlfriend who had never read the book. The only thing I thought they could’ve made clearer was
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why the Emperor went through all this trouble to betray House Atreides. They briefly mentioned that the emperor thought they were getting too powerful/getting an army that could rival his, but you don’t really see much evidence of that. And the whole plan seemed pretty convoluted.

The reasoning is spelled out, but in the movie it comes in a so-quick-you-could-miss-it kind of way:

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Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:43 am

Ralph-Wiggum wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:16 am Watched it last night and loved it. Every scene was visually striking and I thought the movie was pretty easy to follow, as did my girlfriend who had never read the book. The only thing I thought they could’ve made clearer was
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why the Emperor went through all this trouble to betray House Atreides. They briefly mentioned that the emperor thought they were getting too powerful/getting an army that could rival his, but you don’t really see much evidence of that. And the whole plan seemed pretty convoluted.

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Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:10 am

Lagom Lite wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:14 am
Formix wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:19 amand I too missed the inner monolog.
Yech, good riddance. Voiceovers are terrible for cinema. Really amateurish of Lynch to even think of using it back then. Inner motivation need to be acted out performatively in dramatics, or else incorporated in dialogue.

This. Voiceovers seem to indicate the director couldn't adequately portray the story. Or the movie execs couldn't follow it, e.g. Blade Runner.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:56 am

I'm generally not a fan, but they can work in noir crime films.

Sunset Boulevard, The Third Man, etc.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:28 pm

But not Dark City.

hitbyambulance · Post by **hitbyambulance** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 2:22 pm

hitbyambulance wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 2:15 am but the mentats were kinda edited out of this screenplay.

and the Spacing Guild! perhaps the idea of getting too many factions involved could have overcomplicated the film flow, but i liked it in the book.

hepcat wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:55 am
I wanted to try the 4DX thing, but Archinerd, Seppe and Zarathud (who then bailed on us) insisted that they were too old and that the added stimuli would confuse and perhaps unsettle them.

What else happens during that kind of showing? I read that they actually do more than just shake seats.

you also get strobe lights, specific back lighting on the screen (for some scenes), breezes in the theater and puffs of air for the seat, mist (theater wide and individual, the latter of which can be disabled on the seat console), the whole sub-aisle of seats can roll, bank and tilt around, and 'stabbed in the back' (specific pokers in the seat itself). i went with a few people from my bike club - two thought it all was slightly distracting, two turned off the water feature and one complained of mild whiplash afterwards. again, i was ok with it, but if it had been constant (like in the two Marvel 4DX trailers), i would have not been feeling well afterwards.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:05 pm

hitbyambulance wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 2:22 pm
hitbyambulance wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 2:15 am but the mentats were kinda edited out of this screenplay.
and the Spacing Guild! perhaps the idea of getting too many factions involved could have overcomplicated the film flow, but i liked it in the book.

The Spacing Guild is mentioned but doesn't have much of a presence in the first half of the book. (In the movie you do seem some early-stage guildsmen arrive with the Emperor's envoy on Caladan: they're wearing helmets filled with orange spice gas.)

In the novel, the only guildsmen we see are in the final pages, and they look like regular humans (in fact wearing contact lenses to conceal their spice-addicted eyes). David Lynch's scene with the Emperor and the big Navigator is completely invented. Herbert doesn't show us a Navigator until the second novel.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:22 pm

We've already talked about how Feyd-Rautha isn't in this movie and will but probably be introduced at the start of Part Two.

But there's another missing character I wonder about...

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naednek · Post by **naednek** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:25 pm

Tried reading the book years ago, got bored. Never liked the previous movies.

Was mildly excited for this (don't know why) asked for the complete book series for Xmas. Watched the 1st 50 minutes in two sittings, only to have fallen asleep.

Just boring. The movie just basically starts with not much explanation, and the scenes just jump around, making it hard to follow.

Wondering if I should take the books off my list, but my parents already done their shopping, and knowing my dad who is a huge Dune fan probably already bought it.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:59 pm

Jeff V wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:17 pm Did we know this would be the case during the initial LOTR run? I did not, I was not expecting a forthcoming full-assed version so I got suckered into the half-assed version (but it was at Zaxxon's house, so that reduced the sting some).

That's actually the half-assed version. It's a very long con.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:09 pm

Got Wife's buy-in to watch this tonight, or at least to start it. Will probably break it into two nights; 2.5 hours is a heavy lift.

I read the trilogy at least twice, but the last time was just about 40 years ago so I only remember bits and pieces. Didn't like the previous movie. Wife thinks she started the first book once but didn't finish it.

Jeff V · Post by **Jeff V** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:10 pm

Kraken wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:09 pm Got Wife's buy-in to watch this tonight, or at least to start it. Will probably break it into two nights; 2.5 hours is a heavy lift.

I read the trilogy at least twice, but the last time was just about 40 years ago so I only remember bits and pieces. Didn't like the previous movie. Wife thinks she started the first book once but didn't finish it.

Did you watch the miniserieses? (they did the Dune Messiah, too)

Jeff V · Post by **Jeff V** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:10 pm

Alefroth wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:59 pm
Jeff V wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:17 pm Did we know this would be the case during the initial LOTR run? I did not, I was not expecting a forthcoming full-assed version so I got suckered into the half-assed version (but it was at Zaxxon's house, so that reduced the sting some).
That's actually the half-assed version. It's a very long con.

And Zaxxon lives much further away now.

McNutt · Post by **McNutt** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:11 pm

Jeff V wrote:
Kraken wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:09 pm Got Wife's buy-in to watch this tonight, or at least to start it. Will probably break it into two nights; 2.5 hours is a heavy lift.

I read the trilogy at least twice, but the last time was just about 40 years ago so I only remember bits and pieces. Didn't like the previous movie. Wife thinks she started the first book once but didn't finish it.
Did you watch the miniserieses? (they did the Dune Messiah, too)

Really? I need to watch that again. Dune Messiah is essential to the overall story and leaving it at Dune is a major disservice.

disarm · Post by **disarm** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:25 pm

Jeff V wrote:
Alefroth wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:59 pm
Jeff V wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:17 pm Did we know this would be the case during the initial LOTR run? I did not, I was not expecting a forthcoming full-assed version so I got suckered into the half-assed version (but it was at Zaxxon's house, so that reduced the sting some).
That's actually the half-assed version. It's a very long con.
And Zaxxon lives much further away now.

For the record, that was not the half-assed versions of LotR that we watched at Zaxxon's house. That was all 11 hours and 36 glorious minutes of the Extended Editions consumed in one day...along with equally epic amounts of Krispy Kreme donuts, Donato's pizza, and beer

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:54 pm

Saw it this afternoon and loved it. It did seem to spend a little too much time on the period between

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but overall I was very happy with the way the story unfolded. They did a fantastic job of explaining enough to let you understand the world of Dune while not bogging the story down with too much detail. I didn’t feel like anything was left out that would confuse an audience that was paying attention. It’s a dense story with a lot of political maneuvering so of course it’s got a lot of moving parts.

I also disagree with the belief that

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As for the soundtrack, I thought it captured the Lawrence of Arabia feel they were obviously going for.

I do wish someone had told the Fremen that adding goggles to their damn stillsuits would be a good decision on a planet with sandstorms though.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:47 pm

I enjoyed the first 1.5 hours and will polish it off tomorrow night. It captured the feel of the book as I remember it. The production is top-notch.

I do wish they'd shot the whole thing as a 5-6 part miniseries rather than breaking it into two widely separated movies, but I understand that there are still people who go to theaters and they need to cater to that market for awards purposes.

Also, I learned that people who prefer the first movie are called old spicers.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:53 pm

I don’t understand how they could have filmed the first one without ensuring the second one was going to be made. The LotR movies were one book chopped into 3 films, so what Dune is doing here isn’t that far out of the norm. But they knew the rest of the story would be told.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:04 pm

Before we got streaming, I was all about movies. Since we've been streaming I've watched series almost exclusively and decided that they're a better format for storytelling, as they can be chopped into as many suitably-sized chapters as the story demands. IDK if I'll ever go to a theater again, so I'm only talking about the home viewing experience.

Archinerd · Post by **Archinerd** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:30 pm

I want to watch it again.

Holman wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:22 pm We've already talked about how Feyd-Rautha isn't in this movie and will but probably be introduced at the start of Part Two.

But there's another missing character I wonder about...

Spoiler:
Count Fenrig also isn't in the first part of the novel, but I hope he won't be completely erased. If he does appear, I wonder if he might actually be the Emperor's envoy who brought the paperwork to Caladan. There would be some narrative economy in that.

It's possible that we won't have him, though, especially since Lady Fenrig's note to Jessica wasn't included in the script.

Spoiler:

Archinerd · Post by **Archinerd** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:42 pm

Lagom Lite wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:43 am
Ralph-Wiggum wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:16 am Watched it last night and loved it. Every scene was visually striking and I thought the movie was pretty easy to follow, as did my girlfriend who had never read the book. The only thing I thought they could’ve made clearer was
Spoiler:
why the Emperor went through all this trouble to betray House Atreides. They briefly mentioned that the emperor thought they were getting too powerful/getting an army that could rival his, but you don’t really see much evidence of that. And the whole plan seemed pretty convoluted.

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It's not about armies, it's about politics in "the Landsraad" (Senate-ish) - the Emperor needs the support of other Great Houses in the Imperium, of which there are loads. Without it, his power is marginalized even with his elite Sardaukar troops. Duke Atreides, being a good and honorable guy, is becoming very popular among the other Great Houses and could become a challenger to the Emperor.

It's a classic case of divida et impera. The Baron goes along with it because he hates the Duke and wants to end him.

The treachery isn't that the Harkonnen launches an invasion (that sort of thing is a normal part of feudal politics), it's that they launch an invasion supported by three legions of elite Imperial troops, without which it might not succeed. In the novel, the Sardaukar are disguised as Harkonnen troops. It's all a ruse to give the Emperor plausible deniability of involvement.

The plan is:

1. Get all the Atreides away from Caladan and onto Arrakis. Make sure everything is sabotaged and banged up.
2. Give three Imperial Sardaukar legions to the Harkonnen in secret.
3. The Baron invades and genocides all the Atreides.
4. Later on in the Landsraad, the Emperor can denounce Harkonnen actions but only dole out a symbolic punishment. Give back Arrakis to the Baron. Problem solved.

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Torfish · Post by **Torfish** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:02 pm

Watched it tonight at the theater. Loved it. Will see it again.

It is what the last three Star Wars movies should have been like.

Epic movie and hope it keeps going.

Lordnine · Post by **Lordnine** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:14 pm

McNutt wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:11 pm
Jeff V wrote:
Kraken wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:09 pm Got Wife's buy-in to watch this tonight, or at least to start it. Will probably break it into two nights; 2.5 hours is a heavy lift.

I read the trilogy at least twice, but the last time was just about 40 years ago so I only remember bits and pieces. Didn't like the previous movie. Wife thinks she started the first book once but didn't finish it.
Did you watch the miniserieses? (they did the Dune Messiah, too)
Really? I need to watch that again. Dune Messiah is essential to the overall story and leaving it at Dune is a major disservice.

You want the Children of Dune miniseries. It was heads and shoulders above the original miniseries in terms of quality and even has some pretty big actors in the lead roles.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:02 am

disarm wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:25 pm
Jeff V wrote:
Alefroth wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:59 pm
Jeff V wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:17 pm Did we know this would be the case during the initial LOTR run? I did not, I was not expecting a forthcoming full-assed version so I got suckered into the half-assed version (but it was at Zaxxon's house, so that reduced the sting some).
That's actually the half-assed version. It's a very long con.
And Zaxxon lives much further away now.
For the record, that was not the half-assed versions of LotR that we watched at Zaxxon's house. That was all 11 hours and 36 glorious minutes of the Extended Editions consumed in one day...along with equally epic amounts of Krispy Kreme donuts, Donato's pizza, and beer

We don't do half-assed at my house.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sun Oct 24, 2021 1:06 am

It’s full ass or nothing at Club Zax!

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:14 am

Read book first or watch movie? My only Dune knowledge/experience comes from the amazing (at the time) PC game.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:30 am

You’ll be fine diving into the movie. It does a good job of covering the major plot points of the book.

But if you want quite a bit more supporting history, read the book afterwards.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:08 am

Is it a situation where seeing the movie first will ruin the book experience for me?

I guess I’m asking if there are sufficient plot twists or surprise endings enough to justify watching the plot vs reading it. (Although this is only part one, so that’s a huge plus for someone in my position).

FWIW I’ve owned the book for years, just never gotten to it. So it’s something I’ve been meaning and wanting to do anyway.

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:21 pm

The book has an incredible amount of detail and background. If anything, it will enhance the experience as you’ll know the core story.

I’ve even read the prequels which provide an entire layer of context despite not being as well written or as complex.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:43 pm

Here is an excellent review by my man Moid of Media Death Cult:

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sun Oct 24, 2021 1:09 pm

He's spot on. I never once felt I was watching a Hollywood money grab (even though I guess they all are to some extent). It reminded me of a 70s Science Fiction film that focused on the story more than the spectacle...even though this has a TON of spectacle.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:21 pm

Archinerd wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:30 pm I want to watch it again.

Holman wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:22 pm We've already talked about how Feyd-Rautha isn't in this movie and will but probably be introduced at the start of Part Two.

But there's another missing character I wonder about...

Spoiler:
Count Fenrig also isn't in the first part of the novel, but I hope he won't be completely erased. If he does appear, I wonder if he might actually be the Emperor's envoy who brought the paperwork to Caladan. There would be some narrative economy in that.

It's possible that we won't have him, though, especially since Lady Fenrig's note to Jessica wasn't included in the script.

Spoiler:
We were talking about Count Fenrig in our movie debrief. Despite having read the book (again) only last year, I can't actually remember what his role is in the story. So... he may not be necessary?

On Fenrig:

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Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:12 pm

A cool tiny detail that sticks with me:

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It's the kind of perspective that will probably hit different audiences differently, and it *really* makes me hope that Villeneuve will get to do not just Dune Part 2 but also Dune Messiah.

Jeff V · Post by **Jeff V** » Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:31 pm

disarm wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:25 pm
Jeff V wrote:
Alefroth wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:59 pm
Jeff V wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:17 pm Did we know this would be the case during the initial LOTR run? I did not, I was not expecting a forthcoming full-assed version so I got suckered into the half-assed version (but it was at Zaxxon's house, so that reduced the sting some).
That's actually the half-assed version. It's a very long con.
And Zaxxon lives much further away now.
For the record, that was not the half-assed versions of LotR that we watched at Zaxxon's house. That was all 11 hours and 36 glorious minutes of the Extended Editions consumed in one day...along with equally epic amounts of Krispy Kreme donuts, Donato's pizza, and beer

Ooops, you are correct. It was afterwards I obtained the full-assed versions, never to be watched again.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:23 pm

In hindsight, I do have to question the musical number about 1 hour and 45 minutes into the film. I'm sure establishing that the Baron Harkonnen can play the french horn seemed like a good idea when writing the script, but having him play a Niel Diamond medley after surviving an attack just didn't work for me.

gbasden · Post by **gbasden** » Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:40 pm

hepcat wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:23 pm In hindsight, I do have to question the musical number about 1 hour and 45 minutes into the film. I'm sure establishing that the Baron Harkonnen can play the french horn seemed like a good idea when writing the script, but having him play a Niel Diamond medley after surviving an attack just didn't work for me.

Now you are just straight out taunting Jeff.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:45 pm

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:32 pm

hepcat wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:23 pm In hindsight, I do have to question the musical number about 1 hour and 45 minutes into the film. I'm sure establishing that the Baron Harkonnen can play the french horn seemed like a good idea when writing the script, but having him play a Niel Diamond medley after surviving an attack just didn't work for me.

I did like Gurney playing Dust In the Wind on the baliset.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:40 pm

I did like the call back to the Lynch Dune when Gurney finished up that long, long set (a little too long to be honest @ about 45 minutes) and then picked up a pug to carry into battle.