[America] Domestic violent extremism

[Carpet_pissr]

if a trumper doesn’t get what they want, they’ll just claim there’s a conspiracy, tell everyone they have proof, then refuse to show any.

This is The Way.

[Blackhawk]

Trumpers, like their orange master, hate anything that doesn’t fall all over itself telling them how great they are. If at first you don’t succeed, whine whine again. Snowflakes, the lot of them.

But they prefer just to pass laws to keep any competition for their greatness from being able to succeed, just like it used to be. I mean, if you're mediocre, but you stick everyone else in a dark basement, you're suddenly the very best. Why, you're... you're... great again!

[em2nought]

So where are these hills where I'm supposed to receive my training? Can I bring a mobility scooter? I hope this dude is my instructor.

[Zarathud]

When did conservatives whole heartedly embrace Communism? It just boggles my mind.

[em2nought]

When did conservatives whole heartedly embrace Communism? It just boggles my mind.

No way I'm going to fit into those tunnels.

[gbasden]

When did conservatives whole heartedly embrace Communism? It just boggles my mind.

Not to mention that the North Vietnamese were being supplied with weaponry from Russia and China. They had an air force as well as SAMs and heavy infantry weapons. Hardly a bunch of weekend warriors with glocks. It's a dumb meme.

[Zarathud]

The Vietnamese were also fighting a conscript army, rather than a professional volunteer army. It's a completely different level now. Plus, we have the technology to find and destroy those tunnels. Even if em2 fits into them.

[LawBeefaroni]

The only reason that the idea of American civilians defending themselves against the full might of the US military is at all believable is because we have laws that favor the civilians. All of the Bill of Rights, not just the second amendment, as well as a host of other restrictions on government overreach.

If those laws go out the window, Meal Team Six and all the III%ers in the world won't stand a chance. The irony, of course, is that by and large they support elected officials who do everything they can to weaken their legislative defenses. The Orange Fascist most of all.

[The Meal]

Hey!

[hepcat]

"Roger that: Commencing attack....if my wife says it's okay....honey, can I attack with the other guys?"

[em2nought]

"Roger that: Commencing attack....if my wife says it's okay....honey, can I attack with the other guys?"

Com'on man, you know I'm an incel.

Not to mention that the North Vietnamese were being supplied with weaponry from Russia and China. They had an air force as well as SAMs and heavy infantry weapons. Hardly a bunch of weekend warriors with glocks. It's a dumb meme.

I don't think that dude is NVA, he's Viet Cong in the black pajamas, and I don't own Glocks. I dislike the grip angle.

[hepcat]

"Roger that: Commencing attack....if my wife says it's okay....honey, can I attack with the other guys?"

Com'on man, you know I'm an incel.

That was actually a teasing comment about a typo (or intentional pun) in Lawbeef's post that Meal caught, and my subsequent attempt to pull his loving and wonderful wife into the joke as well.

[em2nought]

Still haven't been able to find this training camp that Maxine Waters says exists in the hills??? It's Florida so I haven't actually found a "hill" yet, let alone a training camp for right leaning individuals.

[hepcat]

Meanwhile, I’m still trying to find the KKK members who voted for Obama..

[LawBeefaroni]

"Roger that: Commencing attack....if my wife says it's okay....honey, can I attack with the other guys?"

Com'on man, you know I'm an incel.

That was actually a teasing comment about a typo (or intentional pun) in Lawbeef's post that Meal caught, and my subsequent attempt to pull his loving and wonderful wife into the joke as well.

Meal Team Six
Gravy Seals
Delta Forks

Etc.

Had not made the The Meal connection and I laughed.

[LawBeefaroni]

Domestic terrorist Daniel Perry pardoned by gov. Abbot and parole board.

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/po ... 719220007/

"Texas has one of the strongest ‘Stand Your Ground’ laws of self-defense that cannot be nullified by a jury or a progressive District Attorney," Abbott said in a statement Thursday. "I thank the Board for its thorough investigation, and I approve their pardon recommendation.”

Except Perry sought out a confrontation at the protest and shot a someone who was legally carrying a rifle the Texas way. But he was black, so shoot away, I guess. Yeehaw, Texas!

[Pyperkub]

The Clash may need to update their lyrics to Know Your Rights...

Number one
You have the right not to be killed
Murder is a crime
Unless it was done
By a Policeman
Or an aristocrata conservative

[Isgrimnur]

David DePape, who bludgeoned Nancy Pelosi’s husband, sentenced to 30 years

A federal jury convicted him of attempted kidnapping of a federal official and assault on the immediate family member of a federal official in November 2023, just over a year after the attack in the former House speaker’s San Francisco home.
...
DePape had a history of promoting conspiracy theories online and had shared misinformation about Covid and the January 6 insurrection, as well as false claims that the 2020 election had been stolen from Donald Trump. He had been unhoused and experiencing drug abuse and mental illness in the years leading up to the attack, his ex-girlfriend told local media.

During the trial, he testified about his fringe political beliefs and how he came to support false conspiracy theories that a cabal of pedophiles controlled the US government.

He admitted to the attack, but said he had wanted to talk to Nancy Pelosi and that Paul Pelosi was “never my target and I’m sorry that he got hurt”. His attorney said DePape had targeted Nancy Pelosi because he believed “with every ounce of his body” that he was taking action to stop corruption and the abuse of children.

Paul Pelosi last year testified that he had still not fully recovered from the “traumatic attack”, which required permanent plates and screws in his head.

[Holman]

The only reason that the idea of American civilians defending themselves against the full might of the US military is at all believable is because we have laws that favor the civilians. All of the Bill of Rights, not just the second amendment, as well as a host of other restrictions on government overreach.

Just to circle back to this: the idea that the Constitution implies a right to resist the government by force is completely asinine.

George Washington used armed militia to put down the Whiskey Rebellion (an armed insurrection against taxes) while he was president. According to 2A fanatics, he should have rolled over for it.

[Kurth]

The only reason that the idea of American civilians defending themselves against the full might of the US military is at all believable is because we have laws that favor the civilians. All of the Bill of Rights, not just the second amendment, as well as a host of other restrictions on government overreach.

Just to circle back to this: the idea that the Constitution implies a right to resist the government by force is completely asinine.

George Washington used armed militia to put down the Whiskey Rebellion (an armed insurrection against taxes) while he was president. According to 2A fanatics, he should have rolled over for it.

I don’t think that’s what they really think, do you? Isn’t more of a “Might Makes Right” take where they have the right to resist the government, the government has the right to try to put them down, and whoever succeeds enjoys the spoils?

And they get to have their guns because that’s the only way to make sure the government is serving the people. Fear of armed rebellion.

I know: Lunacy. But I think that’s what they believe.

[Holman]

The only reason that the idea of American civilians defending themselves against the full might of the US military is at all believable is because we have laws that favor the civilians. All of the Bill of Rights, not just the second amendment, as well as a host of other restrictions on government overreach.

Just to circle back to this: the idea that the Constitution implies a right to resist the government by force is completely asinine.

George Washington used armed militia to put down the Whiskey Rebellion (an armed insurrection against taxes) while he was president. According to 2A fanatics, he should have rolled over for it.

I don’t think that’s what they really think, do you? Isn’t more of a “Might Makes Right” take where they have the right to resist the government, the government has the right to try to put them down, and whoever succeeds enjoys the spoils?

And they get to have their guns because that’s the only way to make sure the government is serving the people. Fear of armed rebellion.

I know: Lunacy. But I think that’s what they believe.

I've seen the argument over and over that the 2A is intended to make the government fear the people. It's very common.

Never mind that the 2A literally calls for making weapons available in order to serve the government in a "well-regulated militia" (since there was no standing army at the time). Its intention is the availability of government force, not resistance to it.

[Blackhawk]

Never mind that the 2A literally calls for making weapons available in order to serve the government in a "well-regulated militia" (since there was no standing army at the time). Its intention is the availability of government force, not resistance to it.

Intention schmintention. They were vague on paper when they defined it, so it gets redefined annually to suit the 2A crowd's preferences.

[em2nought]

David DePape, who bludgeoned Nancy Pelosi’s husband, sentenced to 30 years

A federal jury convicted him of attempted kidnapping of a federal official and assault on the immediate family member of a federal official in November 2023, just over a year after the attack in the former House speaker’s San Francisco home.
...
DePape had a history of promoting conspiracy theories online and had shared misinformation about Covid and the January 6 insurrection, as well as false claims that the 2020 election had been stolen from Donald Trump. He had been unhoused and experiencing drug abuse and mental illness in the years leading up to the attack, his ex-girlfriend told local media.

During the trial, he testified about his fringe political beliefs and how he came to support false conspiracy theories that a cabal of pedophiles controlled the US government.

He admitted to the attack, but said he had wanted to talk to Nancy Pelosi and that Paul Pelosi was “never my target and I’m sorry that he got hurt”. His attorney said DePape had targeted Nancy Pelosi because he believed “with every ounce of his body” that he was taking action to stop corruption and the abuse of children.

Paul Pelosi last year testified that he had still not fully recovered from the “traumatic attack”, which required permanent plates and screws in his head.

I'm still dubious. Maybe the guy is like Bill Paxton in Frailty.

[hepcat]

I'm still dubious about you not being a Russian bot. Tell me this: was it before or after the hookers peed on Trump in Moscow that you decided you wanted to help him destroy America?

[Blackhawk]

Or during.

[em2nought]

I'm still dubious about you not being a Russian bot. Tell me this: was it before or after the hookers peed on Trump in Moscow that you decided you wanted to help him destroy America?

No idea. Russian hookers are too costly for me. I'm a wee bit afraid of their "management" as well.

No worries, if we manage to get America back into the proper hands we'll be mag"a"nanimous.

[Blackhawk]

Too expensive? Do they pay their bots in borscht?

[hepcat]

I'm still dubious about you not being a Russian bot. Tell me this: was it before or after the hookers peed on Trump in Moscow that you decided you wanted to help him destroy America?

No idea. Russian hookers are too costly for me. I'm a wee bit afraid of their "management" as well.

No worries, if we manage to get America back into the proper hands we'll be mag"a"nanimous.

And even if you don’t, just do what you did last time: lie and say you won. When someone asks for evidence, claim they’re being mean to you and start crying about all those mean people being unfair to you.

[Smoove_B]

They keep telling us what's coming. I'm not sure why we don't believe them:

As Lindsay Beyerstein explained for Salon, "the banner is the calling card of a Christian supremacist movement seeking to impose theocracy on America." Ironically, the flag was initially commissioned for General George Washington, to symbolize resistance against tyrants who oppose democracy. In the hands of the January 6 insurrectionists who waved it, however, it symbolized the opposite: A belief that secular democracy must be destroyed, so that Christian nationalism may reign over the United States.

...

We were quickly reminded, for instance, that Speaker of the House Mike Johnson, R-La., has the flag hanging outside his office. As Haley Byrd Wilt of NOTUS documented this week, "at least 10 House Republicans were displaying" the flag outside their offices.

...

During a heavily edited Fox News interview over the weekend, Trump once again made a thinly veiled threat of violence, claiming "the public" will hit a "breaking point" if he is sentenced to jail. After years of this obnoxious winking, no one of good faith is confused about his meaning. Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., swiftly noted on MSNBC that Trump's rhetoric is "dangerous" and a signal to "domestic terrorists." This sparked another round of GOP gaslighting, with Republicans pretending it was outrageous to think Trump — a man who literally sicced a murderous mob on the Capitol — might have violent designs. The Republican National Committee even used one of Trump's favorite barely disguised racial slurs — "low IQ" — to smear Waters. It's a reminder that white supremacy is an inextricable part of Christian nationalism.

[em2nought]

I'm still looking for those hills in Florida.

[Smoove_B]

For anyone interested in the context for the above.

[Scraper]

For anyone interested in the context for the above.

I normally have no clue what Fox information bubble talking point he's referring to. It kind of makes me feel dirty when I do.

[hepcat]

Jan. 6th already proved that Trump supporters will betray their country for one man. Waters' claim doesn't seem that far fetched in light of that fact.

[Holman]

Jan. 6 was full of Three-percenters and Proud Boys and others who only left (most of) their weapons at home because they genuinely believed Trump would back them up with the military.

They might not be in the hills, but they're definitely training and dreaming of violence. I do wonder if they'll leave the guns home next time.

[LawBeefaroni]

Jan. 6 was full of Three-percenters and Proud Boys and others who only left (most of) their weapons at home because they genuinely believed Trump would back them up with the military.

They might not be in the hills, but they're definitely training and dreaming of violence. I do wonder if they'll leave the guns home next time.

They didn't leave the guns at home, they left them in their hotel rooms and cars. There's no open carry in DC so they couldn't bring their long guns and LARP kits without a full-on confrontation with all of DCs LEO. (Several did still bring makeshift melee weapons, explosives, and handguns.)


https://apnews.com/article/capitol-sieg ... 46252ac24c

WASHINGTON (AP) — A member of the Oath Keepers who traveled to Washington before the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol testified Wednesday about a massive cache of weapons the far-right extremist group stashed in a Virginia hotel room.

Taking the stand in the seditious conspiracy case against Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes and four associates, Terry Cummings showed jurors an AR-15 firearm and an orange box for ammunition that he contributed to the so-called quick reaction force the Oath Keepers had staged at the hotel outside of Washington in case they needed weapons.

“I had not seen that many weapons in one location since I was in the military,” said Cummings, a veteran who joined the Oath Keepers in Florida in 2020.

Prosecutors have said teams of Oath Keepers guarded the arsenal of firearms and were prepared to rush them into the hands of extremists in the capital if needed.
...
Defense lawyers have not denied the existence of the quick reaction teams but noted that they were never deployed on Jan. 6. They have accused prosecutors of falsely portraying them as an invasion force.

Defense lawyers have said the Oath Keepers often set up quick reaction forces for events, but insist they were defensive forces only to be used to protect against violence from antifa activists or in the event Trump invoked the Insurrection Act. They are not facing any gun charges for bringing the weapons to Virginia.

"Quick reaction forces."

https://www.businessinsider.com/january ... ol-2021-11

An Alabama man who was arrested in Washington, DC, on January 6 admitted Friday that he parked a pickup truck full of weapons near the US Capitol, pleading guilty to charges that could land him up to 25 years in prison.
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At a hearing in federal court on Friday, Coffman sought to minimize the importance of the Molotov cocktails, according to local news station WRC reporter Scott MacFarlane, telling the judge he "didn't plan on blowing nothing up." But he then admitted to knowing it was unlawful to manufacture them. Additional material for making the explosive devices was discovered when authorities searched his home back in Alabama.

According to the Justice Department, Coffman pleaded guilty to two federal counts of possessing an unregistered firearm — each carries a potential sentence of 10 years in prison and $250,000 fine — and carrying a pistol without a license in Washington, DC, for which he faces up to five years in prison and a $12,500 fine.

There but for the ineptness of their leaders...

[Smoove_B]

Yeah, I'm honestly surprised they didn't have "folding camping chairs" in sacks slung over their shoulders. Maybe some did. By all accounts they were more prepared (and willing) to enact violence with guns on 1/6 so it's nothing short of a miracle (inho) it didn't happen.