Re: [2]A Walk in Wolf Woods - Day 5
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 1:54 pm
Eleven players, with three wolves, likely witch, and possible sorcerer. This could be the last chance right here.
That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons bring us some web forums whereupon we can gather
https://www.octopusoverlords.com/forum/
https://www.octopusoverlords.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=77547
Qantaga wrote:Since Grund is claiming that:
Grundbegriff wrote:Yes, I am either the Hunter or the Trapper.
And now, he's [sarcasm]so definitive[/sarcasm] in his provable role:
Grundbegriff wrote:So.... since I claimed to be provable, and since I have a strong preference for being tested tonight rather than today, I'm going to claim that I'm the Trapper.
Let's string up one wolf right now; I'll kill another, of your choosing, tonight or die trying.
Unless I'm actually the Hunter.
Meaning he gets off a shot either today or tonight to prove himself (assuming he ever intends to actually prove himself and that he doesn't intend to keep so evasive that he himself gets lynched today), let's make things a little more interesting.
Grund has made it apparent that, if he is to prove one of these roles, he will likely do it with my corpse:
Grundbegriff wrote:It actually doesn't matter what you do, because you're going to die today.
Qantaga
and
Grundbegriff wrote:You're a furball, theohall, second only to Qantaga in lycanthropic perfidy.
It is time to reveal a secret of my own.
I am the Undertaker.
I have put a lot of thought into whether I should reveal now or not. However, I have a very important piece of information that the village cannot afford to lose if Grund does decide to prove himself with me.
Lassr was our Seer.
I know by the runes I found covering his body.
I realize that I cannot prove my role. However, it is the absolute truth and I'm hoping that my fellow good villagers will use this information wisely.
The wolves got stupid lucky to hit our Seer on Night 0.
I am concerned that Grund is evil and is playing us for a bunch of rubes. However, I want to believe him and since I seem to be his assassination candidate, I felt the need to come forward with what I know.
A fair bit of rereading tonight:redrun wrote:My Threat/vote list is:
Chaos
Tru1cy
Theohall
RMC
ChrisGrenard//Isgrimner.
theohall wrote:Yes, Qantaga. We need to be careful. At the same time, we shouldn't paralyze ourselves by not doing anything at all.
tru1cy wrote:Foolish all of you. I won't do anything to de-rail this train, but lynch me at your peril
Qantaga wrote:tru1cy wrote:Foolish all of you. I won't do anything to de-rail this train, but lynch me at your peril
That sounds a little 'zerkish.
So that's what you named your little tru1cy? And for the record, I don't think any of us wanted to run a scan on... him.tru1cy wrote:I suggest you don't waste a scan on my Qantaga.
Lagom Lite wrote:I could totally vote for tru1cy or Semaj today. Just sayin'. But I want to wait for the group after yesterday's fiasco.
Why the change, Lagom?Lagom Lite wrote:Back.
RMC
I need to keep following my gut. My gut was right about Scoop, and right about rhsetts2 (which I ignored in favor of cold reasoning). I've had a bad feeling about RMC this whole game.msteelers wrote:Lagom Lite wrote:I could totally vote for tru1cy or Semaj today. Just sayin'. But I want to wait for the group after yesterday's fiasco.Why the change, Lagom?Lagom Lite wrote:Back.
RMC
I am a villager. But LL has had me targeted from the beginning. I jump on his bandwagon early, and he took that as a sign I was a wolf. <shrug> I have nothing else to defend myself that I have not already said.Lagom Lite wrote:I need to keep following my gut. My gut was right about Scoop, and right about rhsetts2 (which I ignored in favor of cold reasoning). I've had a bad feeling about RMC this whole game.msteelers wrote:Lagom Lite wrote:I could totally vote for tru1cy or Semaj today. Just sayin'. But I want to wait for the group after yesterday's fiasco.Why the change, Lagom?Lagom Lite wrote:Back.
RMC
That said, I'm starting to get a bad feeling from tru1cy too, especially his recent posting. I can't read Semaj, I've never been able to, so I'm staying off that for now.
That is incorrect and misconstrued, of course. I've already explained why I suspect you, but what you describe isn't even near it.RMC wrote:I am a villager. But LL has had me targeted from the beginning. I jump on his bandwagon early, and he took that as a sign I was a wolf.
How exactly did Lagom Lite target you from the beginning? By never voting for you until today??RMC wrote:I am a villager. But LL has had me targeted from the beginning. I jump on his bandwagon early, and he took that as a sign I was a wolf. <shrug> I have nothing else to defend myself that I have not already said.
Is that a broomstick between your legs, or are you just happy to see us?tru1cy wrote:Qantaga wrote:tru1cy wrote:Foolish all of you. I won't do anything to de-rail this train, but lynch me at your peril
That sounds a little 'zerkish.
If you guys lynch me and I WILL come back human I suggest you don't waste a scan on my Qantaga. if I was the Zerker I would be trying to get lynched
From Day 1 (page 6). This vote comes at a very interesting time, and puts me on 6 votes out of 10. RMC gives the impression that I have convinced him that I'm evil, but it looks very much like he's anxiously following the others.RMC wrote: withdraw pr0ner
Lynch Lagom Lite
Sorry Lagom, you have convinced me that you are evil.
Page 9. The same crap as I immediately picked up from Scoop - overexplaining, rambling, "I figured this, I figured that" - a case of being more concerned with his own behavior than his target's. This whole post just looks like a bad lie.RMC wrote: withdraw Lagom Lite
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Wow...Not sure if Lagom is the mayor, but if he claims it, I am willing to believe it, as I am not the Mayor.
I am also good, and the reason why I changed from Pr0ner to Lagom, was Lagom coming out so aggressive back when it was even suggested that he was evil.
I actually thought he might be the 'zerker (if there is one) and that was why he was pushing like he was. I figured if he was the zerker that a day 1 Lynch would be good, as none of the good guy specials would be known, and it would be a guess for him to kill someone.
So that was my reasoning for switching my vote. Now I really have no idea on which way to go. I will reread everyone's post and try to come up with something, but a busy day today, so I have to wait and post later.
Page 10. More self-conscious rambling. Pre-occupied with convincing us he doesn't lie. A wolf-hunter does not act this way.RMC wrote:So why am I acting wolfish? I suggested Pr0ner, as I thought his initial post was a bit off.
Then after watching the fireworks over the weekend on LL, I went with him.
After LL stated he was Mayor, I backed off, and am trying to figure out who is who.
I know there are a few that feel I am throwing off an evil vibe, but I can assure you that I am just trying to 'test' someone who might be a wolf.
If as msteelers says is true that voting for LL off on day one is a no-no, then I guess I made a mistake. I guess in hindsight it might look like I piled on, but I really just read what had been said, and then voted.
I am not sure who to trust, I still think Stessier is being way to quiet, and think that he is looking to fly under the radar. I think he should be tested. However, I am not sure if he is overall evil.
I would be willing to vote for really anyone if the group thinks that is the way to go.
To get the testing going, I am going to call out: Stessier
Let's see what he has to say for himself.
[Nixon] "I am not a crook!" [/Nixon]RMC wrote:If I learned one thing from the last game I played, use your powers as soon as you can, as you might not get a chance to use that power in the future.
Do we even know we have a Psychic? Maybe I missed the post about that, but I think the only definite role is the Seer.
I have somehow ended up on a 'list' and I can tell you all that I am good, not a wolf. <shrug>
Page 12. More of the same, with a Scoop poke.RMC wrote:hehehe..Well what are the odds that I am evil two games in a row? Pretty low, I am guessing.Scoop20906 wrote:Where have I heard that before?RMC wrote:I have somehow ended up on a 'list' and I can tell you all that I am good, not a wolf. <shrug>
<shrug> No way for me to prove otherwise, as I seem to have the ability to post things that make me seem evil. Not sure why, I am actually a nice guy.
Page 13. RMC is the very first to jump onto Grund's statement that LM was "definitely evil".RMC wrote:I really thought that LM was just being sarcastic, but for a test I don't see the harm in throwing a vote his way.Grundbegriff wrote:LM is definitely evil. It's a lot more interesting to vote against and thereby test someone who's merely probably evil.Scoop20906 wrote:I'm kind of at a loss why anyone's voting for Qantaga instead of Lord Mortis at this point. I think LM has earned a test.
Lord Mortis
His name is mentioned in my threat list, not as a focus but as part of whole list of names, and he gets very antsy. I thought he might have been the Seer, at the time.RMC wrote:Not sure what I have been doing that is all creeping people out. But if you let me know what it is, I will try to address it.Lagom Lite wrote: If anyone is interested in my political spin:
Psychic should come forward. I guess there isn't one.
I pretty much agree with Grund's list. Pretty much.
I think pr0ner may be a sorcerer, but not a wolf.
theohall is still acting creepy. Good theohall is aggressive and zealous, evil theohall is sly and clever.
LordMortis and RMC creep me out still.
stessier has shot up the wolfitude meter.
I don't know why people backed off Scoop, but whatever.
If it is just the timing of my vote for Lagom Lite over the past weekend, it was just when I finished reading and placed my vote.
I still think Scoop is a probable, but from my last game with him, this is how he plays. Could he be wolfy and just playing a little carefree, yes, but I don't think so.
I have reservations on Stessier and Pr0ner.
I think LordMortis deserves a test, which is why my vote is there currently, but I am not 100% sure he is evil.
More introversion. "I'm not, I'm really really not!!!"RMC wrote:Here is redrun's voting history:redrun wrote:-- From my perspective, you've got a good point. I thought about my threat list last night and realized that I had two distinct teams of evil... Two members of one team (Stessier, Grund) are on the Qantaga vote. Two members of another team (Qantaga, RMC) are on the LordMortis vote. I've listed why I'm voting for Qantaga - there is certainly no smoking gun there, however it's enough that I'm willing to test him.msteelers wrote:So now everyone I've voted for, and another player who I feel is a strong wolf candidate, is now voting for Qantaga. Maybe I should rethink my position on tru1cy.
-- I'd move my vote to RMC. I'd consider Chaos & Theohall. At this point there is noone else whom I feel strongly enough to vote for.
redrun - Semaj, Qantaga, Isgrimnur, Qantaga
He is consistent in voting for Qantaga. Now I am not sure how I suddenly am on a team with Qantaga.
redrun has been consistent in his desire to target Qantaga lately, so I can at least give him that credit. But really why does my vote for LordMortis, which I have explained, as more of a test vote, puts me on a team with anyone?
I seem to be making myself an easy target, and I am not sure how I keep doing that, but there it is. I am not a wolf, so I would suggest we target someone else. If everyone feels we should test Qantaga I will switch, but I don't think he is evil, right now.
But I am beginning to suspect redrun.
Unagi wrote:Wow. You have a grand total of ZERO votes on you.RMC wrote:I seem to be making myself an easy target, and I am not sure how I keep doing that, but there it is. I am not a wolf, so I would suggest we target someone else.
Scoop steps in and tries to white-wash RMC. Scoop says RMC is much more devious as a bad guy, so obviously he's not this game.Scoop20906 wrote:One thing about RMC. I am pretty confident he is not a Zerker wolf this game. Last game he was a zerker and there was a lot more confidence in his play and we aren't seeing it thus far. Now it could be that he is a normal who doesn't quite understand that a normal dying isn't the worst thing that can happen. It took me a few games to really get that.
Right now I am leaning to RMC being a good guy but I don't trust that guy one wit. (Thats really a compliment to you RMC. I thought you did a nice job as a wolf last game.)
...and RMC thanks him, and makes a big post to save face. Talks about "following". Claims to want to vote stessier but would rather see Semaj and Unagi jump onto LM or Qantaga.RMC wrote:You know, I meant to come across as a little different, but I guess it does read as Woe is me.. That is where my writing needs to improve.Scoop20906 wrote:One thing about RMC. I am pretty confident he is not a Zerker wolf this game. Last game he was a zerker and there was a lot more confidence in his play and we aren't seeing it thus far. Now it could be that he is a normal who doesn't quite understand that a normal dying isn't the worst thing that can happen. It took me a few games to really get that.
Right now I am leaning to RMC being a good guy but I don't trust that guy one wit. (Thats really a compliment to you RMC. I thought you did a nice job as a wolf last game.)
Thanks Scoop, I think.
Anyway, we have two people that we are checking(or at least with the most votes)
LM = started off a little sarcastic, and now is pointing out the powers and what they can do to us. Not sure he is evil, but a check at this stage is nice.
Qantaga = While he has hinted about things, I think that he is good. Last game I watched him play from the perspective of a bad guy, and it feels like he is playing the same way. So he either is that good, which he might be, or he is good. I am leaning towards good.
redrun = I am worried about him, as he seems a little erratic, which some would point to me as well, I guess.
Lagom Lite = I still think he is evil, but the general agreement seems to be that he is not. So for now I will drop that.
Scoop = It's scoop, maybe evil or not, but a good vocal participate, so either way at this stage I think he should be watched but not lynch'd.
Stessier = Pure evil if you ask me. But maybe not, so I am willing to wait and see. But he has a way with saying nothing but being there. Also, he is in the same boat as me, what are the chances of being evil twice in a row...Flimsy argument, but one that could be true.
pr0ner = I have my doubts on him, as I think he has acted a little like Stessier. A lot of talk, but very little substance.
msteelers = I think he is good, but nothing to support that currently.
Semaj, Unagi are both against stessier, so I could maybe see following them. But would like to see them jump to LM or Qantaga to support the current high votes, and force someone to speak up a little more.
The rest all have not hit my radar, or not that high on the radar so <shrug> that is my thoughts.
So I guess we need to hear what we who voted for these two think and try to come to an agreement on one of them, or switch to someone else. Just my 2 cents.
stessier throws him a kiss.stessier wrote:This is either pure genius or you're taking lessons on Semajulation in the wolf forum.RMC wrote:Stessier = Pure evil if you ask me. But maybe not, so I am willing to wait and see. But he has a way with saying nothing but being there. Also, he is in the same boat as me, what are the chances of being evil twice in a row...Flimsy argument, but one that could be true.
More introversion. Explaining his own actions rather than attacking other's.RMC wrote:My reasoning for LM, was more that we need to test someone, and he at least fits the bill that others have expressed some doubt with his sarcastic tone, and banter with Chaos.Newcastle wrote:So i've seen votes flying on to qantaga & Lord mortis, but very little explanation for those votes. I really love Grund's simple accusation, with no explanation of his rationale. I find it even more interesting the lemmings that followed on those two votes (LM & Qantaga) with again little rationale for votes.
There really is not a lot to go on, and between LM and Q I am leaning towards LM.
If I could get a group together, I would vote to test Stessier, but I have not really seen any movement from others to want to test him.See this is even more for me to really want to test Stessier. He is good at trying to play me down, while trying to point at Semaj, or anyone else, but yet he has committed to nothing.stessier wrote:This is either pure genius or you're taking lessons on Semajulation in the wolf forum.RMC wrote:Stessier = Pure evil if you ask me. But maybe not, so I am willing to wait and see. But he has a way with saying nothing but being there. Also, he is in the same boat as me, what are the chances of being evil twice in a row...Flimsy argument, but one that could be true.
Here is my voting and changes so far:
RMC - pr0ner, Lagom Lite, stessier, LordMortis
I did jump on pr0nr and LL, but I outlined above why. I switched from stessier to LM, becasue I felt that there was no movement to test stessier. If someone else is willing to jump on testing stessier, then I will switch as well.
Are you referring to this post, CR? Nothing else Scoop wrote about RMC comes close to mentioning him being brazen.Scoop20906 wrote:Oh for the love of ...RMC wrote:As bad as this is to say... I agree with Scoop.
Ok, no way if you are a wolf a 2nd time you would have to balls to play this game again. No way.
Ok, RMC, since you MIGHT be good the game who do you think deserves your vote today?
And this goes back to the last game, where as a wolf I tried to frame Scoop, as I kept following his lead. It did not work, but was a little funny.theohall wrote:Are you referring to this post, CR? Nothing else Scoop wrote about RMC comes close to mentioning him being brazen.Scoop20906 wrote:Oh for the love of ...RMC wrote:As bad as this is to say... I agree with Scoop.
Ok, no way if you are a wolf a 2nd time you would have to balls to play this game again. No way.
Ok, RMC, since you MIGHT be good the game who do you think deserves your vote today?
Or are you talking about someone else?
What do you make of it?Chaosraven wrote:Yes, that's it... Balls, not brazen. I had it in my notes where redrun quoted it.
Scoop was hiding in plain sight, you are not. You've been quite evasive. You haven't been hiding per se, but you haven't been brash or haughty or called lots of attention to yourself either. Not in a Scoop/Lagom-esque manner anyway.RMC wrote:Again. I am not a wolf. <shrug> Lynch me if you will. But I am a villager. I voted for both wolfs, and I guess I could be very willy and hiding in plain site, but I am not.
I need to respond to this. I don't consider you suspicious because of the way you voted, indeed voting for me was quite warranted. I wouldn't think twice if you had voted for me, and then simply withdrew without comment.RMC wrote:I am a villager, and while I did react badly at the start of the game to LL accusation, I believe I thought at the time LL was a wolf. Once it was proven that he was the Mayor, he has always kept me on his radar.