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https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/21/politics ... index.htmlA US Capitol Police officer directed "all outside units" on the morning of January 6 to only monitor for anti-Trump agitators "who want to start a fight," not any "pro-Trump in the crowd," according to the findings of a newly revealed internal investigation.
Rep. Zoe Lofgren described the radio broadcast, the existence of which was not previously known, during a House Administration Committee hearing on security failures around the January 6 attack.
In that transmission, the officer said: "Attention all units on the field, we're not looking for any pro-Trump in the crowd. We're only looking for any anti pro-Trump who want to start a fight," according to Lofgren, a California Democrat.
It's all a mystery with 1/6. We keep hearing tiny snippets of the truth. It was a goddamn rebellion against our country and they act like its privileged information. If I was a reporter my question to Biden/Psaki every day would be when does the public get read into 1/6? Enough with these games already.Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 1:41 pm “A US Capitol Police officer”
Again, WHO, goddamit!? Is he still on the force? Was it the guy that resigned? Why the mystery?
Rep. Zoe Lofgren described the radio broadcast, the existence of which was not previously known, during a House Administration Committee hearing on security failures around the January 6 attack.
I am talking about the big scale independent investigation that many have been advocating for. They have two or three committees digging into different aspects. This effort shouldn't be led and influenced by politicians potentially involved IMO.
I totally agree that is a consideration. This is exactly why I think it should be an independent investigation. It takes the juggling off the table so to speak.Smoove_B wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 2:52 pm A formal investigation needs to happen. I feel like there's "effort triage" going on right now by the President and Congress. In addition to perhaps waiting for whatever the FBI is doing for the 1/6 investigation, they're also trying to stay on top of COVID, and proactively guard against the GOP's unrelenting attacks against voting rights nationwide. It's not that a formal 1/6 committee investigation isn't important, I honestly just don't know what's realistic in terms of the number of things they should be juggling.
Just keep rounding them up. Again, I want there to be a fully committee review and report. However, I also really want all the people that were there on 1/6 to answer for it. As quickly as possible.The U.S. Justice Department expects to charge at least 100 more people for taking part in the deadly attack on the U.S. Capitol, signaling prosecutors are far from finished investigating an attack that a judge on Thursday called an act of terrorism.
"Over 400 individuals have been charged in connection with the Capitol attack," federal prosecutors said in a court filing on Thursday. "The investigation continues and the government expects that at least one hundred additional individuals will be charged."
The Justice Department made the disclosure in a set of similar court filings asking judges to postpone deadlines in pending prosecutions.
Rounding up the rioters is all well and good, but I want to see their ringleaders and inciters at the highest levels answer for it.Smoove_B wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 6:52 pm Case in point, more arrests are coming:
Just keep rounding them up. Again, I want there to be a fully committee review and report. However, I also really want all the people that were there on 1/6 to answer for it. As quickly as possible.The U.S. Justice Department expects to charge at least 100 more people for taking part in the deadly attack on the U.S. Capitol, signaling prosecutors are far from finished investigating an attack that a judge on Thursday called an act of terrorism.
"Over 400 individuals have been charged in connection with the Capitol attack," federal prosecutors said in a court filing on Thursday. "The investigation continues and the government expects that at least one hundred additional individuals will be charged."
The Justice Department made the disclosure in a set of similar court filings asking judges to postpone deadlines in pending prosecutions.
Landon Copeland of Utah was just charged for assaulting officers during #Capitol siege.
Apparently concluding the legal system needed a reminder that he was dangerous...
Yesterday he posted about the need to "bring guns and take the Capitol...
BREAKING: active duty U.S. Marine Corps officer Christopher Warnagiris, stationed at Marine Corps Base Quantico arrested for his role in #Capitol breach.
Seen pushing police officer & struggling to keep Capitol door open to facilitate breach by others.
I'm guessing it's more related to the idea that a 1/6 investigation will officially tie Trump and the GOP to the horrific events that unfolded on 1/6, potentially damaging their brand as they have to answer questions and document in painstaking detail exactly what happened (and how).House Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy said Tuesday that he won’t support a proposal to form an independent, bipartisan commission to study the deadly Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, almost certainly eroding GOP support ahead of a vote and positioning his party as opposed to investigations of the attack.
McCarthy said he wanted the new panel to look beyond the violent uprising by supporters loyal to Donald Trump, who were trying to stop the certification of President Joe Biden’s election. McCarthy pushed to have the new commission also investigate other groups, namely the Black Lives Matter groups that protested police violence in the aftermath of the death of George Floyd.
He said that given the “shortsighted scope that does not examine interrelated forms of political violence in America, I cannot support this legislation.”
1/ Of *course* Qevin McCarthy opposes a bipartisan January 6th Commission.
If the Democrats have the stones to pull it off -- an open question, TBH -- it will make Benghazi look like a sewing circle.
2/ They can't possibly look inside the reality of that day and maintain the Big Lie. They can't admit to the clear causality of Trump unleashing his mob. It opens them to personal, moral, and political liability for that day.
3/ More important in their minds is something darker.
They see the majority in their grasp, and just as they did in the states this year, they'll strike quickly, mercilessly, and without a moment of hesitation of a scintilla of shame to make the next election the last.
4/ For them, the problem wasn't an attack on our republic and a democratic election. For Kevin and Co, the problem was that it didn't work the first time. They need the shock and awe, the spectacle, the Trumphadi terror threat out there.
5/ This zero-sum game of power/not-power is what the Democrats never, ever, ever grasp. This year in the states, the GOP -- directed and assisted by Heritage Action -- has passed sweeping voter restrictions.
Democrats couldn't mount a response. They played defense.
6/ Even now, too many think policy will save them. "But our climate plan" or "but our control gun plan" or "but our daycare plan" isn't politics. It's masturbation.
The bad guys are willing to send people to kill you and you respond with a white paper? GTFO.
7/ This is why the Democrats should stop negotiation over a January 6th commission and just freaking DO it.
Do you think some kind of bipartisan comity and goodwill will be lost somehow? THEY SENT PEOPLE TO KILL YOU. Get a goddamned grip.
Play offense. Drag them.
8/ Here's what you don't get; the Trump GOP as comprised today isn't stupid. It's evil. They're smart. They'll play to your goodwill and instinct for a bipartisan veneer on the Jan 6th issue.
They're conning you.
9/ Stop fucking around. Announce the panel. START.
Don't delay. Time is fleeting, and 2022 is roaring into position. You need to nationalize the election over, you know, the little things like whether it's ok to send a violent, armed mob to the Capitol to overthrow an election.
10/ Washington is a city desperate for an illusion of normalcy and old-school transactional politics. The 2022 election will be defined by someone, very soon. If you want it to be about Antifaaaaaaaaaaaaa and BLM and imaginary conspiracy horseshit, keep on delaying.
11/ But when Speaker Greene takes office, let me know how that bipartisan circle jerk worked out for you.
12/ done
It's delusional and it's weak. I totally agree with what Rick Wilson is saying. That we're facing down one of the worst political crises since the Civil War and these fools are bumbling along...is all too typical. I wish I didn't see this coming but bottom line people like Pelosi need to go. She might be great at running the caucus but she doesn't have the backbone for this fight. They need a war chief.
Unfortunately we're on course for worse unless they start acting like this is an emergency.I continue to believe people need to hang for this. Genuinely and sincerely believe their deeds need to be recorded for history and we need to make sure it never happens again.
This was evident in 2016 and has been a glaring deficiency ever since. Do we really think this will be the turning point? I predict more of the same.malchior wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 7:24 pmIt's delusional and it's weak. I totally agree with what Rick Wilson is saying. That we're facing down one of the worst political crises since the Civil War and these fools are bumbling along...is all too typical. I wish I didn't see this coming but bottom line people like Pelosi need to go. She might be great at running the caucus but she doesn't have the backbone for this fight. They need a war chief.
Unfortunately we're on course for worse unless they start acting like this is an emergency.I continue to believe people need to hang for this. Genuinely and sincerely believe their deeds need to be recorded for history and we need to make sure it never happens again.
Right but that people still are worrying about alarmism (not aimed at you just in general) is just appalling to me. Everyone wants to be so serious and alarmists are not serious people. People like Ornstein and Mann who saw this behavior for what it was during the tea party uprisings were shelved as alarmists. Unserious people. People to be ignored since we're a very serious nation run by the very serious-est of people. It's been a sham. Pelosi and Biden and all of them are fossils from a time that was mostly true. Now that we are in the shit they have *no ability* to deal with what is actually happening now. They are biased against seeing the fullness and breadth of it.Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:06 amThis unwillingness to react appropriately (with a LOT more fervor, fight and whatever else you want to call it...gumption?) could literally be the end of our little Democracy experiment. Or the beginning of the end. I know that sounds alarmist, and I loathe alarmism, but the next logical step DOES seem to be some kind of proto-authoritarian state if the R's continue along the current path AND continue to be successful (they are, already) regarding voting restrictions or hindrances - of all stripes.
Exactly. Seems is the best way of putting it. In reality, to lay out a slightly clumsy metaphor they've in plain sight erected a siege tower against multiple institutions for years, have climbed over the walls, have taken the yard, and on 1/6 they were kicked in the keep's door. They got repulsed but the horde is still out in the yard.The Crazy is winning, here, even though it SEEMS like the non-Crazy is in power.
It has been for 10 years. When McConnell laid down his marker and started obstructing all business they should have had a game plan. Instead they carried on. When Trump was elected, they mostly carried on. 'Policy and demographics will save us'. Meanwhile back to the 'society as a castle', the angry mob was yelling outside the walls of the keep. And still even now we're talking about wow, that attack was crazy, maybe we need to paint the walls to make them more appealing to the citizens. They're beyond clueless.Stability/normalcy vs The Crazy is at 0-1 as far as I can tell - time to shift tactics.
Ha! Did you see his committee performance defending the report? He barely can remember what it said. He needs to stay out of sight. He deserves his retirement.There should be NO Inches given on this investigation. No negotiating. It obviously should not be made up or driven by obviously partisan liberals or Democrats, either. What's Bob Mueller doing these days?
That's a good point. It's the elephant (literally) in the room. The call is coming from within the House, as it were. HA! More??!Smoove_B wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:14 amRegardless, there's no realistic way for this committee to properly function when it's inherently going to include the very insurrectionists that need investigation as part of the process. And yet somehow, it still needs to happen. But when House leadership is front and center part of the problem? Good luck.
Then we've already lost, the Titanic is on its way down. Nothing left to do but....????malchior wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:25 amRight but that people still are worrying about alarmism (not aimed at you just in general) is just appalling to me. Everyone wants to be so serious and alarmists are not serious people. People like Ornstein and Mann who saw this behavior for what it was during the tea party uprisings were shelved as alarmists. Unserious people. People to be ignored since we're a very serious nation run by the very serious-est of people. It's been a sham. Pelosi and Biden and all of them are fossils from a time that was mostly true. Now that we are in the shit they have *no ability* to deal with what is actually happening now. They are biased against seeing the fullness and breadth of it.Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:06 amThis unwillingness to react appropriately (with a LOT more fervor, fight and whatever else you want to call it...gumption?) could literally be the end of our little Democracy experiment. Or the beginning of the end. I know that sounds alarmist, and I loathe alarmism, but the next logical step DOES seem to be some kind of proto-authoritarian state if the R's continue along the current path AND continue to be successful (they are, already) regarding voting restrictions or hindrances - of all stripes.
Exactly. Seems is the best way of putting it. In reality, to lay out a slightly clumsy metaphor they've in plain sight erected a siege tower against multiple institutions for years, have climbed over the walls, have taken the yard, and on 1/6 they were kicked in the keep's door. They got repulsed but the horde is still out in the yard.The Crazy is winning, here, even though it SEEMS like the non-Crazy is in power.
It has been for 10 years. When McConnell laid down his marker and started obstructing all business they should have had a game plan. Instead they carried on. When Trump was elected, they mostly carried on. 'Policy and demographics will save us'. Meanwhile back to the 'society as a castle', the angry mob was yelling outside the walls of the keep. And still even now we're talking about wow, that attack was crazy, maybe we need to paint the walls to make them more appealing to the citizens. They're beyond clueless.Stability/normalcy vs The Crazy is at 0-1 as far as I can tell - time to shift tactics.
Ha! Did you see his committee performance defending the report? He barely can remember what it said. He needs to stay out of sight. He deserves his retirement.There should be NO Inches given on this investigation. No negotiating. It obviously should not be made up or driven by obviously partisan liberals or Democrats, either. What's Bob Mueller doing these days?
The ice berg hit a boat. Maybe it's sinking. Nothing is 100% certain. The Democrats might somehow buck the odds and retain the House next year. It's very, very unlikely but it's not impossible. The Democrats might keep the Presidency in 2024. That's more likely to be honest right now. However, 2022 on is going to be increasingly rocky.Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:40 amThen we've already lost, the Titanic is on its way down. Nothing left to do but....????
This is the problem. Originally the committee was going to be majority Democrat because this was an obvious problem. They negotiated to parity. The Democrats were going to control subpoenas. That was negotiated to parity. That is ultimately the surprise factor here. The Democrats negotiated themselves into a bad position to be effective but Lucy still pulled the ball away when letting the ball be kicked meant it'd bounce back in Charlie's face. Strange.Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:38 amThat's a good point. It's the elephant (literally) in the room. The call is coming from within the House, as it were. HA! More??!Smoove_B wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:14 amRegardless, there's no realistic way for this committee to properly function when it's inherently going to include the very insurrectionists that need investigation as part of the process. And yet somehow, it still needs to happen. But when House leadership is front and center part of the problem? Good luck.
I agree with this, but unless I completely misunderstood your tone and words, you implied that it's already too late. That the slow burn plan of R's literally taking the country back involved some sinister shit, which has been in place and working for 10 years. With the current (clueless, or powerless, or both) Dems in power, what will a win in 2024 matter? Or even the next presidency? I think we both agree that it will take a lot more than just winning even the Executive branch to really change the trajectory here, if it's not already too late.malchior wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:57 amBack to what is happening now, I think that the Democrats are still up on deck trying to keep sailing the ship to New York when they should be figuring out if the boat is fucking sinking, getting damage control teams together, and frankly getting their shit together.
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