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Alefroth wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:33 pm

pr0ner wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:32 pm

Alefroth wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:25 pm

Octavious wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:37 pm So what happens if Jeffries wins?

Then he'd be Speaker until 5 Reps got together and called for another vote.

I don't think the Republican rules packages go into effect with Jeffries as Speaker.

I don't think the Dems would call for a new vote with Jeffries as Speaker.

El Guapo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:33 pm I feel like the dream scenario is that Democrats find the sanest member of the House GOP caucus (if that exists) and basically say "we'll vote for them for speaker", leading to them getting elected with 212ish Democratic votes plus 6+ Republican votes. Would any Republican be willing to be elected speaker with mostly Democratic votes?

Would that person be able to effectively govern?

pr0ner wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:35 pm

Alefroth wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:33 pm

pr0ner wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:32 pm

Alefroth wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:25 pm

Octavious wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:37 pm So what happens if Jeffries wins?

Then he'd be Speaker until 5 Reps got together and called for another vote.

I don't think the Republican rules packages go into effect with Jeffries as Speaker.

I don't think the Dems would call for a new vote with Jeffries as Speaker.

That's not the point of my post. There's no 5 member rule to call for a new Speaker unless the Republicans can pass their rules package.

Speaker of the House Resources wrote:Longest election for Speaker:
After more than two months and 133 ballots, Nathaniel P. Banks of Massachusetts was elected Speaker on February 2, 1856.

Alefroth wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:39 pm

pr0ner wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:35 pm

Alefroth wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:33 pm

pr0ner wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:32 pm

Alefroth wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:25 pm

Octavious wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:37 pm So what happens if Jeffries wins?

Then he'd be Speaker until 5 Reps got together and called for another vote.

I don't think the Republican rules packages go into effect with Jeffries as Speaker.

I don't think the Dems would call for a new vote with Jeffries as Speaker.

That's not the point of my post. There's no 5 member rule to call for a new Speaker unless the Republicans can pass their rules package.

How many are required now?

Banks was, along with Henry Wilson and Governor Henry J. Gardner, considered one of the political leaders of the Know Nothing movement, although none of the three supported its extreme anti-immigrant positions of many of its supporters.

Alefroth wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:39 pm

pr0ner wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:35 pm

Alefroth wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:33 pm

pr0ner wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:32 pm

Alefroth wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:25 pm

Octavious wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:37 pm So what happens if Jeffries wins?

Then he'd be Speaker until 5 Reps got together and called for another vote.

I don't think the Republican rules packages go into effect with Jeffries as Speaker.

I don't think the Dems would call for a new vote with Jeffries as Speaker.

That's not the point of my post. There's no 5 member rule to call for a new Speaker unless the Republicans can pass their rules package.

How many are required now?

Roll Call wrote:As Republicans have debated the rules, they’ve spent a lot of time discussing the motion to vacate the chair, which is the mechanism for ousting the speaker.

Until four years ago, any member could file a privileged motion to vacate. When a measure is privileged it can be brought up for a vote over the objection of leadership.

Freedom Caucus members used the motion to vacate in 2015 to help force out then-Speaker John A. Boehner. McCarthy ran for speaker then but dropped out just before the conference nomination vote amid opposition from the Freedom Caucus.

Democrats changed the motion to vacate rule in 2019 after taking back the majority to say it is only privileged if offered at the direction of a party caucus or conference, instead of just a single member.

Freedom Caucus members wanted to restore the old rule, but the rules package keeps the current rule in place, with a key exception. Language is added that would allow a motion to vacate to be privileged if five members of the majority party sign onto the resolution, which means five Republicans could band together and force a vote on ousting McCarthy or whoever the House elects speaker.

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Defiant wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 5:20 pm Edit: It looks like it's unclear if it will happen.

Daehawk wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 6:05 pm Fun day of infighting. I suspect in the end it will come down to who can yell the loudest or throw the best sneaky punch and they'll end up with a nobody that no one has ever heard of before and will need to find out if the yare even GOP and should be in the room.

BTW I dont do GOP politics..is McCarthy sane or at least not a full on nutjob GOP? Can he work with people? Or is the GOP just intent on holding up everything by being babies?

Whats the best outcome for us as a country? or who?

McCarthy maintains he will not step down and balloting will continue until he can secure the necessary support.

"They can go through whoever they want to go through, and they'll come to the conclusion that they don't, they can't get there," McCarthy told reporters outside of the House floor.
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In Round 3, the vote breakdown was similar, but McCarthy lost one Republican — Rep. Byron Donalds of Florida — who voted for Jordan.

Jordan spoke in support of McCarthy on the House floor just before the second round began, encouraging his colleagues to vote for him.
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Speaking to reporters Tuesday — before he was nominated — Jordan said that he wouldn't want that job. "I'm for Kevin McCarthy and I've told you guys I don't know how many times, I want to chair the Judiciary Committee," he said.

El Guapo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:33 pm I feel like the dream scenario is that Democrats find the sanest member of the House GOP caucus (if that exists) and basically say "we'll vote for them for speaker", leading to them getting elected with 212ish Democratic votes plus 6+ Republican votes. Would any Republican be willing to be elected speaker with mostly Democratic votes? Would that person be able to effectively govern?

dfs wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 8:19 pm

El Guapo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:33 pm I feel like the dream scenario is that Democrats find the sanest member of the House GOP caucus (if that exists) and basically say "we'll vote for them for speaker", leading to them getting elected with 212ish Democratic votes plus 6+ Republican votes. Would any Republican be willing to be elected speaker with mostly Democratic votes? Would that person be able to effectively govern?

Any red congress criter that would do this would be signing himself up to be primaried in two years.

Kevin McCarthy Assures Skeptical Republicans He Shares Their Vision Of Innocents Drowning In Oceans Of Blood

Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 9:40 pm When did they start reporting real news?

Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 1:41 pm Unless I’m reading it wrong, anyone left-leaning should not be cheering on this speaker chaos.

While maybe typically in-ranks division might delight opponents, in this case it’s lose-lose from what I can tell:
1. McCarthy gets the job…and we get McCarthy. But a very likely nastier version than we’ve known because he had to move RIGHT to get the job. Now he’s compromised, or at least biased by the right nuts.

2. McCarthy loses….and a more ‘pure’ MAGAT is waiting in the wings? More right than MCarthy? No thanks! So now I guess I’m hoping that McCarthy gets it.

3. ??

Victoria Raverna wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:46 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 1:41 pm Unless I’m reading it wrong, anyone left-leaning should not be cheering on this speaker chaos.

While maybe typically in-ranks division might delight opponents, in this case it’s lose-lose from what I can tell:
1. McCarthy gets the job…and we get McCarthy. But a very likely nastier version than we’ve known because he had to move RIGHT to get the job. Now he’s compromised, or at least biased by the right nuts.

2. McCarthy loses….and a more ‘pure’ MAGAT is waiting in the wings? More right than MCarthy? No thanks! So now I guess I’m hoping that McCarthy gets it.

3. ??

Is this not possible?

3. McCarthy loses then a moderate candidate win by getting support from moderate Republicans and Democrats?

Gaetz sent a letter to the Architect of the Capitol questioning why McCarthy is allowed to occupy the Speaker’s office.

Daehawk wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:16 am Ive seen video clips of GOP spouting the swamp the swamp. Ok I feel silly but I have to ask what exactly IS the this swamp Ive been hearing of for so long.

malchior wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 8:39 am So

Republicans could also attempt to defund any investigations into Trump, or even defund probes and prosecutions relating to the Jan. 6, 2021, attack. They could do this without the more improbable act of defunding the whole FBI.

Such an effort, of course, would not pass the Senate (if Democrats hold it) and would never get signed by President Biden. But it’s obvious Trump loyalists in the House will force showdowns over this, and if the GOP majority is narrow, those loyalists might be more empowered to succeed.

Victoria Raverna wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 4:47 am Instead of trying to appease far right members to get their votes, why McCarthy doesn't try to get votes from Democrats? Any reason that is not a good option for him?

waitingtoconnect wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 5:06 am Arguably it could be the best thing if it results in a house where people vote for the benefit of their weirdly shaped districts nation instead of for their party exclusively. Ideally the moderate of both parties get together and come up with a consensus candidate.

Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 9:26 am I’m not even sure it’s irony, but it’s both sad and funny to see this from the party who has now seemed to fully embraced burning the whole thing down.

Simplifying, but this might be a sign that we may have reached peak ‘non-governors’ in the R party.

dfs wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 8:19 pm

El Guapo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:33 pm I feel like the dream scenario is that Democrats find the sanest member of the House GOP caucus (if that exists) and basically say "we'll vote for them for speaker", leading to them getting elected with 212ish Democratic votes plus 6+ Republican votes. Would any Republican be willing to be elected speaker with mostly Democratic votes? Would that person be able to effectively govern?

Any red congress criter that would do this would be signing himself up to be primaried in two years.