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Yes. It's the ever flowing examples like these that lead people to label Trump supporters as simpletons.tjg_marantz wrote:Jesus. It's like watching him talk to Hodor.
That was my first thought as well. Cruz comes across as almost the hero of that incident.Ted Cruz knows how to debate.Chrisoc13 wrote:why did cruz seen almost reasonable in that clip?
I guess trump and his supporters can make even cruz seem sane.
Thousands Of Cheering Americans Packed Into Park For Ted Cruz Concession Speech
HOUSTON—Gathering to celebrate a milestone that many throughout the country had long eagerly awaited, an estimated 150,000 cheering citizens packed into a public park in downtown Houston Wednesday night to hear Ted Cruz confirm his campaign for president of the United States was over, sources reported.
“I’ve been dreaming about this moment since the first time I heard Ted Cruz speak, and I just had to be here to see it happen,” said Kevin Chavis,
“We were all so excited watching the numbers come in and realizing this was finally going to happen,” Chavis added. “Words can’t express how happy I am right now.”
For the record, Cruz was one of the first to embrace Trump and treat him cordially. While I was certain it was all for show (mostly because I thought/think Trump is a joke), he treated Trump with more respect than he deserved compared to how the other candidates treated him.hepcat wrote:He's never struck me as the type that lets go of grudges. And the battle between Trump and Cruz was definitely nasty and petty.
I think Cruz was trying to cozy up to Trump voters so they would turn to him when Trump self-destructed and had to drop out - then Trump failed to self-destruct and after eliminating all the other competition he turned on Cruz.GreenGoo wrote:For the record, Cruz was one of the first to embrace Trump and treat him cordially. While I was certain it was all for show (mostly because I thought/think Trump is a joke), he treated Trump with more respect than he deserved compared to how the other candidates treated him.
I would be surprised if he backed Trump in any way. First, Cruz has made it clear throughout his career that he doesn't care what the Republican establishment thinks, so he's not going to fall in line just because the party wants to unite. Second, Trump branded him "Lyin' Ted Cruz", claimed he had multiple affairs, and said that Cruz's dad was buddies with Lee Harvey Oswald. That's so beyond just typical campaign smearing that I would be amazed if Cruz could overcome it. If I had any respect for Cruz to begin with, I'd certainly lose it if he endorsed Trump.El Guapo wrote:I wonder if Cruz will back Trump as the GOP nominee. I assume that he'll eventually issue some "Trump's better than Clinton" type statement, but the question is whether he does it in any emphatic or believable way.
I very much doubt that Cruz would back Trump in any meaningful way. But what I'm wondering is whether it would be a McCain-in-2000 type deal - after McCain conceded to Bush in that race, he waited something like a month or two without issuing any sort of endorsement of Bush. Finally he did it, but was incredibly monotone and robotic such that it was obvious that he wasn't actually endorsing him.ImLawBoy wrote:I would be surprised if he backed Trump in any way. First, Cruz has made it clear throughout his career that he doesn't care what the Republican establishment thinks, so he's not going to fall in line just because the party wants to unite. Second, Trump branded him "Lyin' Ted Cruz", claimed he had multiple affairs, and said that Cruz's dad was buddies with Lee Harvey Oswald. That's so beyond just typical campaign smearing that I would be amazed if Cruz could overcome it. If I had any respect for Cruz to begin with, I'd certainly lose it if he endorsed Trump.El Guapo wrote:I wonder if Cruz will back Trump as the GOP nominee. I assume that he'll eventually issue some "Trump's better than Clinton" type statement, but the question is whether he does it in any emphatic or believable way.
But at least Trump's not Clinton.ImLawBoy wrote:I would be surprised if he backed Trump in any way. First, Cruz has made it clear throughout his career that he doesn't care what the Republican establishment thinks, so he's not going to fall in line just because the party wants to unite. Second, Trump branded him "Lyin' Ted Cruz", claimed he had multiple affairs, and said that Cruz's dad was buddies with Lee Harvey Oswald. That's so beyond just typical campaign smearing that I would be amazed if Cruz could overcome it. If I had any respect for Cruz to begin with, I'd certainly lose it if he endorsed Trump.El Guapo wrote:I wonder if Cruz will back Trump as the GOP nominee. I assume that he'll eventually issue some "Trump's better than Clinton" type statement, but the question is whether he does it in any emphatic or believable way.
Oh for sure, but he was the only one who embraced Trump, at least in public.Exodor wrote:I think Cruz was trying to cozy up to Trump voters so they would turn to him when Trump self-destructed and had to drop out - then Trump failed to self-destruct and after eliminating all the other competition he turned on Cruz.GreenGoo wrote:For the record, Cruz was one of the first to embrace Trump and treat him cordially. While I was certain it was all for show (mostly because I thought/think Trump is a joke), he treated Trump with more respect than he deserved compared to how the other candidates treated him.
Probably so, but there's a little problem with his plan. Everyone now knows him for the unlikeable turd that he is, and the party isn't exactly going to be singing his praises no matter what (I expect that bonehead Paul Ryan will be the chosen golden boy that year). Disinterest in Cruz will be palpable, and we likely won't have to put up with his douchebaggery much beyond Iowa.Captain Caveman wrote:Cruz got out now to prevent any further humiliation in the remaining primaries. He's smart enough to see the odds stacked against Trump in the general, and is setting himself up as the "true conservative" savior to run against Hillary in 2020... who of course only won in 2016 because once again the GOP chose to nominate a RINO.
I'd be surprised if he wasn't secretly rooting for Hillary to win in the general.
Everyone already knew that he was an unlikable turd. Cruz is almost certainly going to try again in 2020. He came reasonably close this year. If his opposition is bad enough in 2020, and/or if he can manage to polish that turd just a little, he might well have a shot.Jeff V wrote:Probably so, but there's a little problem with his plan. Everyone now knows him for the unlikeable turd that he is, and the party isn't exactly going to be singing his praises no matter what (I expect that bonehead Paul Ryan will be the chosen golden boy that year). Disinterest in Cruz will be palpable, and we likely won't have to put up with his douchebaggery much beyond Iowa.Captain Caveman wrote:Cruz got out now to prevent any further humiliation in the remaining primaries. He's smart enough to see the odds stacked against Trump in the general, and is setting himself up as the "true conservative" savior to run against Hillary in 2020... who of course only won in 2016 because once again the GOP chose to nominate a RINO.
I'd be surprised if he wasn't secretly rooting for Hillary to win in the general.
There is no rising star among the party losers this year...no Ronald Reagan who will come back in 4 years as a dominant force. If the party doesn't take steps to return to center over the next 4 years, another set of loons will fill the bingo card in 2020.
Pres campaign and missed votesFrom Jan 2013 to Apr 2016, Cruz missed 187 of 1,061 roll call votes, which is 17.6%. This is much worse than the median of 1.6% among the lifetime records of senators currently serving.
Everyone? Maybe all of the political junkies, but I wager what success he did have this year was due to people who didn't know anything about him, and knew only that he wasn't Donald Trump (who has gotten far, far more media attention than should ever be considered "fair.") The majority of the population only got to know him in recent months, and much of his "support" has been more anti-Trump than pro-Cruz. Yes, I think he'll be back, but unless 2020 is another Comedy Central reality show, I think he'll get run out pretty quickly; not unlike all of 2012 failures who tried again this year with even worse results (ala Rick Santorum).El Guapo wrote: Everyone already knew that he was an unlikable turd.
The entire GOP party knew it, anyway. I will say I didn't fully appreciate just *how intensely* everyone hates Ted Cruz, to a kind of staggering degree that I still have trouble wrapping my head around.Jeff V wrote:Everyone? Maybe all of the political junkies, but I wager what success he did have this year was due to people who didn't know anything about him, and knew only that he wasn't Donald Trump (who has gotten far, far more media attention than should ever be considered "fair.") The majority of the population only got to know him in recent months, and much of his "support" has been more anti-Trump than pro-Cruz. Yes, I think he'll be back, but unless 2020 is another Comedy Central reality show, I think he'll get run out pretty quickly; not unlike all of 2012 failures who tried again this year with even worse results (ala Rick Santorum).El Guapo wrote: Everyone already knew that he was an unlikable turd.
eh, he's run a long campaign. He deserves an extended vacation - the rest of his term ought to cover it.Isgrimnur wrote:Maybe now he'll get his ass back to Washington and do his job.
Pres campaign and missed votesFrom Jan 2013 to Apr 2016, Cruz missed 187 of 1,061 roll call votes, which is 17.6%. This is much worse than the median of 1.6% among the lifetime records of senators currently serving.
Now that that court order prevents you from doing so, anyway.hepcat wrote:Tough luck, pal. Someone's gotta protect your bathrooms.
