Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:20 pm
by Smoove_B
Hear me out...we could change the time kids go to school to be later. Unless everything is set up to give parents a place to drop them off so they can go to work and/or (2) because football players need 3+ hours a day to practice and play games.
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:28 pm
by Blackhawk
*shrug*
I live in Indiana. I spent years here without DST (or with constant DST, whichever.) It didn't really affect anything the way people expect. It was just a hassle that we got to ignore.
It was confusing being the only state (nearby, at least) that observed/didn't observe it - prime time shows jumped back and forth from 7 to 8, then 8 to 7 every year. Crossing the state line (which was only about ten miles away) jumped us an hour half of the year, but was at the same time as us the rest. Then Indiana went to 'optional' and let each county pick which time zone they were in. That was just chaos, as anything inter-county had to take multiple time zones into account back-and-forth. Someone might have an appointment at 3 in one county, then at 3 in the next county an hour later, but then had to rush out at 3:30 to make their 5:00 appointment 20 minutes away.
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:37 pm
by JCC
Not happy about this. I walk most mornings at 7am and hate walking in the dark. I would be doing it a lot from Novemberish through Februaryish. BOO!
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 4:20 pm
by Sudy
Inertia is not a good excuse to maintain bad policies. There will never be enough daylight to please everyone in certain (or all) locations; some parts of the year just suck. Being lucky enough to have a 9-5 life doesn't entitle you to govern time itself. Buy a SAD lamp like those of us with SAD do. Or I guess you could live out of a van and adjust your position on the globe each day.
(Directed at no one in particular. I understand why this sucks for some people's routines and a sympathize.)
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 5:02 pm
by Isgrimnur
Not all of us are blessed with 15+ hours of daylight in summer.
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 5:20 pm
by Jaymann
Fortunately some people will be unaffected:
I sleep with the sun and I rise with the moon,
but I feel alright with my needle and spoon.
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:20 pm
by Kraken
Well, I like it, as I suspect do most people who live on the eastern edge of their time zone. But "the Senate unanimously passed a resolution" isn't the same as "done deal."
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:30 pm
by Isgrimnur
Jaymann wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 5:20 pm
Fortunately some people will be unaffected:
I sleep with the sun and I rise with the moon,
but I feel alright with my needle and spoon.
Hey, do you know Mr. Brownstone?
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:34 pm
by hitbyambulance
stessier wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:17 pm
Also, we apparently tried this in 1974 and hated it.
i suspect the likelihood of this also getting killed after one year is very, very high.
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:39 pm
by Sudy
It would be nice if we took what we learned in 1974 and used it to make another attempt a better experience. But then, if we learned from the past half the world's problems wouldn't exist right now.
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 8:00 am
by Carpet_pissr
Kraken wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:20 pm But "the Senate unanimously passed a resolution" isn't the same as "done deal."
This. Has the House even indicated they plan to look at this?
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:12 am
by pr0ner
The amount of people I see online happy with this astounds me. I wonder if issues like SAD wouldn't actually be as much of a problem if we didn't have DST to begin with.
Also from what I heard on the radio, the House was surprised by the Senate's move and while there's a corresponding bill in the House, I'm guessing it'll be a while before it's taken up.
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:26 am
by msteelers
There are elements of standard time and daylight savings time that I like. I mainly would just like to stop changing the clocks twice a year.
The vast majority of people I know want to keep DST permanent in order to get the extra hour of sun in the evenings after work.
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:53 am
by Jaymon
I also am in the 'stop changing the clocks' camp. I don't care where the clocks end up, I just want them to stop changing.
OK I do care, I don't want to end up like India, 30 minutes off the rest of the world, that gives me headaches.
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:02 am
by El Guapo
msteelers wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:26 am
The vast majority of people I know want to keep DST permanent in order to get the extra hour of sun in the evenings after work.
Am I in the minority in terms of caring a lot more about light in the morning than light in the evening? I don't really care whether it gets dark at 4 pm or 6 pm or 8 pm. But I hate hate hate getting up when it's dark out - feels wrong somehow, and I feel like I wind up more tired regardless of the amount of sleep I got.
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
msteelers wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:26 am
The vast majority of people I know want to keep DST permanent in order to get the extra hour of sun in the evenings after work.
Am I in the minority in terms of caring a lot more about light in the morning than light in the evening?
Yes.
It doesn't affect me as much now, but back when I had an office job, more or less 8-5 (although I never left at 5), I cherished any daylight that remained after I got home. I work outside a lot at my house, so that's my selfish reason.
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
msteelers wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:26 am
The vast majority of people I know want to keep DST permanent in order to get the extra hour of sun in the evenings after work.
Am I in the minority in terms of caring a lot more about light in the morning than light in the evening? I don't really care whether it gets dark at 4 pm or 6 pm or 8 pm. But I hate hate hate getting up when it's dark out - feels wrong somehow, and I feel like I wind up more tired regardless of the amount of sleep I got.
For years my alarm clock would go off at 4am for work, and I currently get up at 5am for work. I can't remember the last time I woke up and it was daylight outside.
As for nights, I've always enjoyed when it would get dark earlier. I prefer the evenings, probably because I can get sunburns easily. But now that we have a toddler, I'm beginning to understand the appeal of having an extra hour of sunlight after work.
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:20 am
by Blackhawk
I drive the kids to school in the county to the east of us. When DST has me getting up or leaving after dawn, I'm driving straight into the sun. When it has me getting up before dawn, it's a nice, leisurely drive in the dark.
And I've always preferred night over day for being out. Less noisy, less crowded, less glare.
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:02 pm
by YellowKing
I guess everyone will have their own reasons for preferring more light in the morning vs the evening. Out here in North Cackalackey, on the coast where the weather is mild pretty much all year, that extra daylight in the evenings is fantastic for getting outside after a work day and doing yard work, exercising, playing with the kids, etc.
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:17 pm
by Jaymann
Blackhawk wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:20 am
I drive the kids to school in the county to the east of us. When DST has me getting up or leaving after dawn, I'm driving straight into the sun. When it has me getting up before dawn, it's a nice, leisurely drive in the dark.
And I've always preferred night over day for being out. Less noisy, less crowded, less glare.
Those drives directly into the sun could be in the top 5 most irritating things on the planet.
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 7:27 pm
by Jaymon
Advice duck says, don't live west of your office.
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 7:33 pm
by Isgrimnur
If you worked east of here, you could see home by now.
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
If you worked east of here, you could see home by now.
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 8:00 pm
by Madmarcus
Jaymon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:53 am
OK I do care, I don't want to end up like India, 30 minutes off the rest of the world, that gives me headaches.
That would be horrible!
I'm in the camp of always waking up at 5:20 so I expect dark when I wake. I suppose I'd rather have the extra light in the evenings but mostly I'd just like to quit bothering to deal with changing things.
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 8:15 pm
by dbt1949
I don't care which system that they use just make it permanent.
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:44 pm
by Sudy
What if we could minutely control the Earth's orbit?
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:10 pm
by Isgrimnur
Who would you trust with that ability?
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:21 pm
by Jaymann
Superman?
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:44 pm
by Zenn7
Jaymon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:53 am
I also am in the 'stop changing the clocks' camp. I don't care where the clocks end up, I just want them to stop changing.
OK I do care, I don't want to end up like India, 30 minutes off the rest of the world, that gives me headaches.
We have an office in India, one of my teammates is there. Works till 11:30 AM/12:30 PM Eastern (12:30 now w/ the time shift). Took a long freaking time to get used to that 1/2 hour.
I'd mildly prefer hour of sun in the evening over morning but mostly just want the change to stop either way... if it weren't for the teammate in India. Having her on until 12:30 is much more convenient for our team's work.
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:43 am
by Carpet_pissr
Sudy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:44 pm
What if we could minutely control the Earth's orbit?
While we're at it, maybe someone can also slow our spinning down to a less vomit-inducing rotational speed? The constant 10,000mph spin is getting old.
mkthanks
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
Sudy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:44 pm
What if we could minutely control the Earth's orbit?
While we're at it, maybe someone can also slow our spinning down to a less vomit-inducing rotation? The constant 10,000mph spin is getting old.
mkthanks
Just wait until they stall us out while trying to double clutch
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:41 pm
by Sudy
The spin only bothers me when I try to stand in the same place.
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:04 pm
by YellowKing
I think this explains it:
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2022 5:42 pm
by The Meal
Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:43 am
constant
I'm okay with this word.
Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:43 am10,000mph
Constant linear velocity. That's a legit construct.
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2022 5:48 pm
by Isgrimnur
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2022 7:39 pm
by Jeff V
When was the last time this argument came up in the fall?
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:33 pm
by gbasden
pr0ner wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:51 pm
The Senate just unanimously passed a resolution to shift to full time DST in the US.
I am sure that people will be just thrilled about the prospects of 830-9 AM sunrises in the winter in mid-latitude states in the US.
That's a perk, not a negative. I would also like to suggest we just all go to GMT and simplify meeting requests enormously. I couldn't care less if I was getting up at 12am and going to bed at 4pm if it meant I didn't have to wonder what time it was in India.
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
msteelers wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:26 am
The vast majority of people I know want to keep DST permanent in order to get the extra hour of sun in the evenings after work.
Am I in the minority in terms of caring a lot more about light in the morning than light in the evening? I don't really care whether it gets dark at 4 pm or 6 pm or 8 pm. But I hate hate hate getting up when it's dark out - feels wrong somehow, and I feel like I wind up more tired regardless of the amount of sleep I got.
I am exactly the opposite. Mornings suck whether it's light or dark. Evening is when I want it to be light. Being dark at 5 just sucks.
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
msteelers wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:26 am
The vast majority of people I know want to keep DST permanent in order to get the extra hour of sun in the evenings after work.
Am I in the minority in terms of caring a lot more about light in the morning than light in the evening? I don't really care whether it gets dark at 4 pm or 6 pm or 8 pm. But I hate hate hate getting up when it's dark out - feels wrong somehow, and I feel like I wind up more tired regardless of the amount of sleep I got.
I am exactly the opposite. Mornings suck whether it's light or dark. Evening is when I want it to be light. Being dark at 5 just sucks.
I endorse this message.
Re: the inevitable abolishment of [seasonal time shifting] in our lifetimes
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 7:10 am
by Ralph-Wiggum
gbasden wrote:
I am exactly the opposite. Mornings suck whether it's light or dark. Evening is when I want it to be light. Being dark at 5 just sucks.
+100
No matter whether it’s light or dark outside in the morning, I’m going to just be getting ready for work. But I can only shoot hoops or play disc golf outside after work if there’s enough light.
