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Because you want to buy one, or because you want to start an internet investment scam of your own?shaggydoug wrote:If only I were independently wealthy.
I don't see a scam. It's just that I remembered that guy's name. Rocket Book was kind of dead tech from the bubble days. NuvoMedia, Eberhard's company, was bought out for a fair amount of cash (actually shares) in the euphoria. Don't think the Rocket Book ever made it to market.shaggydoug wrote:Uhhh.....buy one.
Call me clueless....what is the internet investment scam here? Or am I missing the obvious joke.
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I've learned to be wary of things that sound too good to be true. There are a lot of suckers with money out there, and a lot of people willing to take advantage of them.shaggydoug wrote:Uhhh.....buy one.
Call me clueless....what is the internet investment scam here? Or am I missing the obvious joke.
And there is a good industry in creating vaporware startups and selling them.Bob wrote:I've learned to be wary of things that sound too good to be true. There are a lot of suckers with money out there, and a lot of people willing to take advantage of them.shaggydoug wrote:Uhhh.....buy one.
Call me clueless....what is the internet investment scam here? Or am I missing the obvious joke.
That said, this does look like a legitmate effort and product.
If they don't have a delivery date on the 20th, I'd be skeptical.Great cars and the companies that build them are not made overnight and so we are not yet ready to announce our delivery date. We can provide a bit of a peek in terms of the vehicle's specifications:
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On July 20th, you'll be able to see the car and learn about how and when you will be able to drive your very own.
Sadly, I guess you and I are the only ones that can appreciate Jeff Keith humor . Well, we'll see who's laughing in late 2006 / early 2007.Fretmute wrote:What they're not telling you is that these vehicles run on hair and tacky solos.
Like the Moller Skycar?shaggydoug wrote:It seems to me that 1 big difference with this company vs. others is that they are pricing themselves out of the average joe with their initial product offering. Its not like gizmondo.
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So....back to your earlier point.......tesla is NOT publicly traded while moller is. Moller could be scamming the average joe via that mechanism. Where's the scam on the average joe here?LawBeefaroni wrote:Like the Moller Skycar?shaggydoug wrote:It seems to me that 1 big difference with this company vs. others is that they are pricing themselves out of the average joe with their initial product offering. Its not like gizmondo.
- shaggy
I never said there was a scam. I brought up the Skycar to show that out of the park pricing doesn't necessarily mean the product is there.shaggydoug wrote:So....back to your earlier point.......tesla is NOT publicly traded while moller is. Moller could be scamming the average joe via that mechanism. Where's the scam on the average joe here?LawBeefaroni wrote:Like the Moller Skycar?shaggydoug wrote:It seems to me that 1 big difference with this company vs. others is that they are pricing themselves out of the average joe with their initial product offering. Its not like gizmondo.
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And I don't think I ever said that out of the park pricing meant that the product was there. I was only talking about the "bilkage factor" (trademark pending). I'm trying to ask and hopefully get an answer to the "who is the company trying to scam" question. You think it's the VCs?LawBeefaroni wrote:I never said there was a scam. I brought up the Skycar to show that out of the park pricing doesn't necessarily mean the product is there.
Again, I never said it was a scam. I do think it's possible they're just trying to get far enough to get bought out. The VCs would be the gamblers, winning if the company is bought for a significant amount. It's also possible we'll see their cars on the in the fall. The performance specs make me skeptical.shaggydoug wrote:And I don't think I ever said that out of the park pricing meant that the product was there. I was only talking about the "bilkage factor" (trademark pending). I'm trying to ask and hopefully get an answer to the "who is the company trying to scam" question. You think it's the VCs?LawBeefaroni wrote:I never said there was a scam. I brought up the Skycar to show that out of the park pricing doesn't necessarily mean the product is there.
- shaggy
If this is a scam, which I'm willing to concede it doesn't appear to be right now, it would be either the venture capitialists or a future potential buyer (of the whole operation) who was being scammed not the average joe.shaggydoug wrote:And I don't think I ever said that out of the park pricing meant that the product was there. I was only talking about the "bilkage factor" (trademark pending). I'm trying to ask and hopefully get an answer to the "who is the company trying to scam" question. You think it's the VCs?LawBeefaroni wrote:I never said there was a scam. I brought up the Skycar to show that out of the park pricing doesn't necessarily mean the product is there.
Honestly, I would be shocked if that wasn't exactly what they were trying to do. Get far enough for 1 of the big automakers to take them out. Isn't that modus operandi for 99.99% of all VC funded startups?LawBeefaroni wrote:Again, I never said it was a scam. I do think it's possible they're just trying to get far enough to get bought out.
LawBeefaroni wrote:If they don't have a delivery date on the 20th, I'd be skeptical.
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If this is true, I'll buy one. Assuming they price it somewhat reasonably.
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Zaxxon wrote:Rise!
I visited my local Tesla store this weekend. Damn, the Model S is one attractive vehicle.
That is all.
Not as bad as I thought it would be but still not something I'll ever have without winning the lotto.Base Price: 2013 Tesla Model S: $49,990
Nice. How much power (to bear weight) does it have? I didn't see anything about that.Acceleration 0-60 mph s: 5.6 seconds
1/4 mile time 14 seconds
Emissions 0 g/km
Range 300 miles
Top Speed 120 mph
You quoted the base price and the top of the line ($70k) range. Sneaky!LordMortis wrote:Not as bad as I thought it would be but still not something I'll ever have without winning the lotto.Base Price: 2013 Tesla Model S: $49,990
Acceleration 0-60 mph s: 5.6 seconds
1/4 mile time 14 seconds
Emissions 0 g/km
Range 300 miles
Top Speed 120 mph
Not meant to be sneaky. Pulled from here (not originally linked because you have to answer a survey to get in):Fretmute wrote:You quoted the base price and the top of the line ($70k) range. Sneaky!LordMortis wrote:Not as bad as I thought it would be but still not something I'll ever have without winning the lotto.Base Price: 2013 Tesla Model S: $49,990
Acceleration 0-60 mph s: 5.6 seconds
1/4 mile time 14 seconds
Emissions 0 g/km
Range 300 miles
Top Speed 120 mph
Isn't 8 years in about when you're supposed to spend a pile of money to replace the battery pack?Zaxxon wrote:Depreciation involves some guesswork at this point, but Edmund's seems to think it'll be similar to Toyota/Honda, maintaining somewhere around 30% of its value after 8 years. That eats a little more of the price difference since 30% of an $80k car will be more than 30% of a $40k car.
Not according to Tesla. Who knows whether their projections are accurate, but they told me they expect it to last around 175k-200k miles. They also estimate that the current-gen top battery pack will be about $12k to replace 8 years from now, which is much less expensive than today's cost. (They actually just announced a $12k warranty option that gives you a new battery anytime after 8 years.)Fretmute wrote:Isn't 8 years in about when you're supposed to spend a pile of money to replace the battery pack?Zaxxon wrote:Depreciation involves some guesswork at this point, but Edmund's seems to think it'll be similar to Toyota/Honda, maintaining somewhere around 30% of its value after 8 years. That eats a little more of the price difference since 30% of an $80k car will be more than 30% of a $40k car.
Back to this question--I don't know my ass from my vehicle power metrics, but it can out-drag a BMW M5. That's the top-end Model S vs the M5, of course.LordMortis wrote:Nice. How much power (to bear weight) does it have? I didn't see anything about that.
I'm with you, and that's the sort of question I'm wrestling with now.Chaz wrote:The math makes sense, but I'm still wondering about the realities of having to charge the batteries, particularly when away from home.
At home on a 40-amp outlet, you can get 31 miles of range per hour of charge. So on a 'normal' day, 6-8 hours is probably plenty.For my daily commute, as long as I can get a full charge in 6-8 hours, it'd be fine. But what happens if I need to take it somewhere 180 miles away? If the estimate on range is wrong (on the 200 mile battery), I wind up getting a tow. And can I just run an extension cord to the car if I'm visiting my mom?
I think for many people, that's true. In my case specifically, it'd be our 2nd car so the range is less of an issue. 99.9% of our trips are < 250 miles round trip, so the fact that we would have another car for those 0.1% of trips makes range not an issue. But I concur that even with the favorable TCO, it's expensive for a 2nd car--unless one is happy with the very base model and no upgrades.I want to get behind a non-gas-powered car, but it just feels like it's still not super realistic for anything other than an around-town kinda car, and it's pretty expensive for that.
I agree.Zaxxon wrote:I had the opportunity to test drive the Performance model last night with a friend.
Holy. Shit.
Calling this thing a car is rather insulting. It does happen to have 4 wheels and some seats, but it's just an incredible piece of machinery. Torque is instant, acceleration is completely effortless, the only sound is a slight whine when gunning it, and the cabin tech is so far beyond what anyone else is doing as to be rather ridiculous.
If Telsa can come through with their 'family sedan' due to be unveiled next year and can price it $10-$20k below the S, I think their sales will go through the roof.
What I've read from current owners is that if it's below freezing, the range takes a 5-10% hit and regenerative braking is reduced until the battery is up to 'normal' operating temperature. I haven't seen anyone complaining about the heating, though.Vorret wrote:I agree.
I wonder how good it would work in harsh winter conditions... especially how it would provide heat