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Re: Still not a genocide

Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:17 pm
by Jaymann
hepcat wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:19 am She essentially uses the moronic defense that because the world isn't perfect we can't start fixing it unless we fix everything at once. It's the standard tactic of poser activists the world over. :roll:
Wait a minute, what about those Cro-Magnons who slaughtered all those Neanderthals? Why are you letting them off the hook?

Re: Still not a genocide

Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:29 pm
by El Guapo
Isgrimnur wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:33 pm My rep weighed in:
Some lawmakers, including Rep. Michael C. Burgess (R-Texas) questioned why the House was taking time to debate a nonbinding resolution dealing with atrocities committed 100 years ago when Congress had a lot left to accomplish in scant days before the end of the year, including preventing the government from shutting down when its spending authority expires Nov. 21.

“It remains unclear why we are urgently considering this resolution,” he said.
He did vote for it, though.

Your 11 Nays:
Baird
Brady
Brooks (IN)
Bucshon
Cole
Foxx (NC)
Harris
Meadows
Pence
Rogers (AL)
Thornberry
Not an unreasonable response by your Rep, IMO. Though I think part of the answer is that Turkey is deeply invested in Armenian holocaust denialism, so the House going on record on this is both good in and of itself, and actually a punishment to Turkey for bad behavior.

Re: Still not a genocide

Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:37 pm
by Isgrimnur
Politics and diplomacy are as much about egos as anything else.

Re: Still not a genocide

Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:39 pm
by hepcat
Jaymann wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:17 pm
hepcat wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:19 am She essentially uses the moronic defense that because the world isn't perfect we can't start fixing it unless we fix everything at once. It's the standard tactic of poser activists the world over. :roll:
Wait a minute, what about those Cro-Magnons who slaughtered all those Neanderthals? Why are you letting them off the hook?
You offensive bastard! The proper term is “evolutionary challenged”! :x

Re: Still not a genocide

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:51 am
by Jeff V
hepcat wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:39 pm
Jaymann wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:17 pm
hepcat wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:19 am She essentially uses the moronic defense that because the world isn't perfect we can't start fixing it unless we fix everything at once. It's the standard tactic of poser activists the world over. :roll:
Wait a minute, what about those Cro-Magnons who slaughtered all those Neanderthals? Why are you letting them off the hook?
You offensive bastard! The proper term is “evolutionary challenged”! :x
Is that the new PC term for "Republicans"? Certainly they are proof neanderthals have not evolved all that much over the centuries.

Re: Still not a genocide

Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:39 pm
by Holman
President Biden officially calls it a genocide.
Statement by President Joe Biden on Armenian Remembrance Day

Each year on this day, we remember the lives of all those who died in the Ottoman-era Armenian genocide and recommit ourselves to preventing such an atrocity from ever again occurring. Beginning on April 24, 1915, with the arrest of Armenian intellectuals and community leaders in Constantinople by Ottoman authorities, one and a half million Armenians were deported, massacred, or marched to their deaths in a campaign of extermination. We honor the victims of the Meds Yeghern so that the horrors of what happened are never lost to history. And we remember so that we remain ever-vigilant against the corrosive influence of hate in all its forms.

Of those who survived, most were forced to find new homes and new lives around the world, including in the United States. With strength and resilience, the Armenian people survived and rebuilt their community. Over the decades Armenian immigrants have enriched the United States in countless ways, but they have never forgotten the tragic history that brought so many of their ancestors to our shores. We honor their story. We see that pain. We affirm the history. We do this not to cast blame but to ensure that what happened is never repeated.

Today, as we mourn what was lost, let us also turn our eyes to the future—toward the world that we wish to build for our children. A world unstained by the daily evils of bigotry and intolerance, where human rights are respected, and where all people are able to pursue their lives in dignity and security. Let us renew our shared resolve to prevent future atrocities from occurring anywhere in the world. And let us pursue healing and reconciliation for all the people of the world.

The American people honor all those Armenians who perished in the genocide that began 106 years ago today.

Re: Still not a genocide

Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2021 10:01 am
by Grifman
So can this thread title now change? :)

Re: Still not a genocide

Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:49 am
by El Guapo
Grifman wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 10:01 am So can this thread title now change? :)
Chris Grenard ain't 'round these parts no more, right? I guess we need a mod...

But anyway, glad that Biden made this change - definitely the right thing to do. This did get easier I suppose given Turkey's turn away from the United States and toward authoritarianism, as the downside to this has always been worsening relations with Turkey. Also good to make clear to Turkey (to Erdogan) that his choices will have a price, before we get to steps like expelling Turkey from NATO.

Re: Still not a genocide

Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:37 am
by Holman
Erdogan is threatening to retaliate by declaring the USA's treatment of Native Americans a genocide (something that everyone except conservatives recognized long ago).

Re: Still not a genocide

Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:39 am
by El Guapo
Holman wrote: Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:37 am Erdogan is threatening to retaliate by declaring the USA's treatment of Native Americans a genocide (something that everyone except conservatives recognized long ago).
It would be amusing if we wound up accurately clarifying historical records around the world in fits of diplomatic spite.

Re: Still not a genocide

Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:07 am
by ImLawBoy
Biden should offer to co-sign with him.

Re: Still not a genocide

Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:13 am
by gbasden
El Guapo wrote: Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:49 am

Chris Grenard ain't 'round these parts no more, right? I guess we need a mod...
I'm pretty sure Chrisoc13 was not Chris Grenard, but still not 'round these parts.

Re: Still not a genocide

Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:10 am
by Grifman
Holman wrote: Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:37 am Erdogan is threatening to retaliate by declaring the USA's treatment of Native Americans a genocide (something that everyone except conservatives recognized long ago).
No one cares what Turkey says, and as you note, the US govt isn't spending time and effort to deny our treatment of Native Americans was horrific.

Re: Still not a genocide

Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:22 am
by Jaymann
Chrisoc13:

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Re: Still not a genocide

Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:21 pm
by Alefroth
But last post two years ago.

Re: Still not a genocide

Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:23 am
by gbasden
Jaymann wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:22 am Chrisoc13:

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Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:46 am
That quite surprises me! Perhaps he'll pop up and say hi at some point.