NSFW pictures

[RunningMn9]

Also, yoga pants selfies are *not* art.

[pr0ner]

Edit to add: My objection is to objectification and the crudity that comes with it, not to skin itself. I think we know it when we see it.

Well, when poorly cropped blowjob pictures start appearing, even in spoilers, that's when the objectification and crudity (and density, in the case of the poster who put it here) really rears its head.

I don't think you can point to him as a trend representative of OO.

I would say some objectification goes on here beyond that particular picture.

[pr0ner]

And, apparently, that random nsfw thread has caused hepcat to change his profile details and go inactive here.

[Remus West]

What is the purpose of a random NSFW thread? "Hey look, this is a pic that makes me horny"? I get the silly pics may be NSFW thread and would have no problem had the pics from the random NSFW thread been posted in there but really, the whole thread just seems to scream "post porn here" and I'd rather OO not become a haven for porn. As noted that is easy enough to find all over the net. I enjoyed the round robin thread as that seemed to carry with it a chance to compare what we all found attractive and not just random objectification but naughty pics purely for the sake of naughty pics seem out of place here, imo. Maybe if I saw the "art" value in the pictures posted I'd have a different opinion.

Ideally OO would come up more when folks search the web for games and discussions about them not for NSFW tags and topics.

[Daehawk]

The thread is not just for girl pics. Its for anything that is NSFW.

[Alefroth]

Just want to add my voice to those saying that it isn't about nudity, but the objectification and sexualization of women that is the issue.

[Remus West]

The thread is not just for girl pics. Its for anything that is NSFW.

Is that not what the silly pics thread has been? So why devote another thread to it? I do not think it outside the rules. I just do not understand.

Of course, if I start trying to list the things I do not understand I'll be creating this post for the rest of my life and only end it as I die by typing "why the hell did I make this list".

It occurs to me that the Forum games forum came about because folks did not want the game cluttering up EBG. Should we discuss a separate NSFW forum? Personally I think that makes a huge leap away from the idea of a gaming site but if the threads are causing such an uproar they could be shuffled off to a corner and shunned just like those of us who play the werewolf games.

[Daehawk]

I take the silly pics thread as for funny pics...silly cats.....drawings...you name it thats funny....not for scantily clad women....they are not funny...they are beautiful and sometimes art.

[naednek]

I find this all very confusing. I don't post much anymore so I don't find my own opinion particularly compelling - but a big part of why I don't post much anymore is because the DoD has determined that OO has offensive content that I am not allowed to see at work.

I have no problem with nudity or what have you, but I don't see any value at all in having it here. Clearly Daehawk enjoys yoga pants. Why does he feel the need to post 87 picture of women in yoga pants? He's already seen them. He can see them any time he wants. What is the added value of posting them?

The internet can produce a nearly limitless supply of anything you'd like to see inside of a heartbeat. Why does it need to be here?

Well said.

Now we're having NSFW terms in thread titles and now I must refrain from visiting when I'm at work. Yes, I probably should do that anyways, but like many of you it doesn't stop us from browsing while on work time. But now with thread titles becoming NSFW I can't avoid certain threads, I have to avoid the forums. It's sad that's where we are heading.

[El Guapo]

And, apparently, that random nsfw thread has caused hepcat to change his profile details and go inactive here.

That's really neither here nor there. Obviously that's the immediate cause of hepcat leaving, but he could just as easily have come over here and discussed this civilly instead of taking his marbles and going home.

Point is just that it doesn't really impact this discussion as far as I see it.

[El Guapo]

That several people are increasingly unable to access OO seems to me to be a pretty good reason to limit NSFW threads. Generally my attitude is "just stay out of threads that you don't like", but if it's keeping people from accessing the forum in general then that's another matter - it's not something that the impacted people can avoid or mitigate.

How does that work exactly? Is it a cause of the number of threads that say "NSFW"? Is the damage already done? If all threads labeled NSFW dropped off the front page tomorrow, would that fix the problem? What if there were only one?

Just trying to understand the parameters of this issue.

[rshetts2]

NSFW tags have been around here pretty much since day one. What makes it so different now? Thats a serious question BTW. Why are NSFW tags suddenly an issue?

As far as pictures, I have no problem with nudity in general. In fact the countries with the most relaxed attitudes regarding nudity are the countries with the least amount of sexual crimes. Repression creates more problems than openness. Still I respect that others may not be as liberal as I am on the subject and I do believe as a courtesy to those people full frontal should not be posted but linked instead.
I do get that people are concerned with a proliferation of NSFW threads. I dont see the need for several. Theres a few long standing threads that shouldnt be messed with but maybe the others could be lassoed into a general NSFW pictures thread. One thread to rule them all as it were. That would stop the issue of several NSFW pages on the front page.
We are adults here and we have different tastes. It does bother me a bit that people are suggesting restricting NSFW pictures as they may cause some quality persons to stay away from the forums because the reverse is true as well. If we completely restrict NSFW pictures from the forum then certain open minded people may feel that the forums are too restrictive. Frankly I find some of the conversations far more objectionable than any of the pictures Ive seen here. Thats more likely to turn someone away, than some NSFW picture. And by NSFW I mean by the standards that we here at OO have pretty much stuck to thus far. Theres definitely NSFW material out there that would turn most anyone away and fortunately we have been mature enough to stay away from that kind of stuff here. Basically we seem to be able to keep it tasteful and if theres any question then we warn and link, instead of posting. The occasional slip up has always been rectified quickly. In light of recent events we probably need an addition to the COC to avoid future confusion. Firm up the guidelines we managed to live by for quite some time and go from there.

[ibdoomed]

Edit to add: My objection is to objectification and the crudity that comes with it, not to skin itself. I think we know it when we see it.

Well, when poorly cropped blowjob pictures start appearing, even in spoilers, that's when the objectification and crudity (and density, in the case of the poster who put it here) really rears its head.

Poorly cropped?! Now I'm offended.

Someone has to explain the objectification problem to me sometime. The women I know that do this for a living don't feel objectified, they generally love what they do.

I am dense, no question about that.

[Fretmute]

That several people are increasingly unable to access OO seems to me to be a pretty good reason to limit NSFW threads. Generally my attitude is "just stay out of threads that you don't like", but if it's keeping people from accessing the forum in general then that's another matter - it's not something that the impacted people can avoid or mitigate.

How does that work exactly?

My employer trawls links. It's becoming tenuous for me. To lose this forum to the hipster and the creepy uncle would make me sad.

[Daehawk]

As a semi joke..dont people work at work any more?

[Sudy]

...the countries with the most relaxed attitudes regarding nudity are the countries with the least amount of sexual crimes. Repression creates more problems than openness.

I believe psychological repression is often confused with willing suppression. I don't think anyone wants to deny anyone else a sexual outlet at the risk of turning them into a sex criminal. There's just some debate as to what a healthy sexual outlet is, and in our case, whether OO is an appropriate venue for exploring them.

It does bother me a bit that people are suggesting restricting NSFW pictures as they may cause some quality persons to stay away from the forums because the reverse is true as well. If we completely restrict NSFW pictures from the forum then certain open minded people may feel that the forums are too restrictive.

I personally was not advocating increasing restrictions despite my discomfort, but some discussion as to the degree of the content we're willing to host as well as its effect on the community as a whole may be warranted.

Do you really think someone's going to decide not to sign up or contribute due to a paucity of NSFW threads, though? "Sh!t man, there's a distinct lack of boner fuel around here; I'm out." And if so, it was necessarily a great loss? I don't think anyone's talking about outlawing NSFW content or tagging in general, anyway.

It's the prevalence of threads dedicated to little more than hottie pic swapping and their suitability for our community and who we'd like to attract that concerns me. I think you'd find equal numbers of liberals and conservatives who might take issue with this.

While an imperfect analogy, for a male visiting a forum whose population slanted female, would it be unreasonable to consider the prevalence of threads featuring members drooling over photos of sexualized men and what it said about the community? Raising questions like, "Is this a community more likely to value me for my opinions and contributions, or reply 'pics of your crotch bulge or GTFO!' to my posts?" "Is this a primary focus of this place?"

[Odin]

I think a couple of the issues mentioned here - one in particular - are non-starters. Any concern about whether we're turning off potential new members is unfounded. It's pretty clear after 10 years in operation that we're going to get less than a trickle of new members, so trying to tailor each and every post to accommodate them is pointless. We're in a state of attrition, and it's unlikely that that will change unless we take some active recruiting measures that I doubt anyone is interested in. So the "let's make this a comfortable place for new people" argument, in my opinion, has no merit.

What IS a valid concern, I think, is the idea that we could be losing long-time, established members because their workplace considers OO to be a hive of scum and villainy. Anything that contributes to that ought to be avoided (though in those places where it's already banned, it's probably too late to fix).

I admit that I liked the idea that, for many years, we operated without a CoC. We didn't need it because we were mature adults who got on well and didn't need anybody to police us. Our moderators have been relegated (as far as I've seen, anyway.) to crushing spam. Which is awesome. And the addition of a block feature means that the very rare individual who manages to crawl directly under my skin and shred my every nerve doesn't appear for me.

However, there's always going to be some individual who "just doesn't get it." Whether such an individual is active in the forums right now - or even posting in this thread - or not is subject to debate, but such an individual could join up at any time, so it's also irrelevant. Having a CoC of some sort - or some other method for the community to identify a person and metaphorically burn them at the stake - would be useful in such cases. Or perhaps the mods just discuss it amongst themselves and pull the trigger if they feel it's warranted. Again, we've been a relatively happy, comfortable community for a very long time and the mods have continually shown pretty good judgment, so I'm fine with that approach if that's the one we're taking. I've honestly lost track over the years of what the procedures are around here, as they so infrequently affect me in the least.

[IceBear]

NSFW tags have been around here pretty much since day one. What makes it so different now? Thats a serious question BTW. Why are NSFW tags suddenly an issue?

My guess is that, like my employer, theirs have started tighten up on what their employees are doing on the Web. I used to be able to come to OO and as long as I didn't pull a NSFW picture across the wire I was OK. Now I get a warning message that access to OO is denied. Luckily, I work from home mostly so I can use my phone or my home PC, but not everyone has that luxury.

We're a small community as it is, if many of our members can't post during prime time then we're only going to get smaller

[Sudy]

We're in a state of attrition, and it's unlikely that that will change unless we take some active recruiting measures that I doubt anyone is interested in. So the "let's make this a comfortable place for new people" argument, in my opinion, has no merit.

You're right; I wasn't really hoping for a change in rules. I'm still here despite the forum being pretty much as it's always been, and I'm not planning on going anywhere. What caused me to get involved in the discussion was Hepcat's question:

Let's ask a lady, shall we? And this is an honest question.

Are you okay with nudity on this site? And keep in mind that the kind of nudity I'm discussing is certainly of the objectification of women kind. Does it ever make you feel awkward? Or uncomfortable?

It makes me uncomfortable; even the non-nude photos that objectify women make me uncomfortable. I think it would also make my wife uncomfortable and less likely to post (though I admit the actual reason she isn't more active is her social anxiety that's triggered even by internet forum participation). Would I be less likely to invite an awesome person to the forum due to a prevalence of NSFW posts? Possibly. Does this matter to anyone? Likely not. Am I an idiot? Perhaps.

I'm not here campaigning for change, but the discussion raises questions I find important. Daehawk's latest post includes this image (NSFW, obviously), and the question that first comes to my mind isn't "Butt is it art?", but "WTF, dude? You can't even see her face." This is just unabashed glorification of a piece of meat without consideration for the human of whom it's only one small component, and it embarrasses me.

But it's within the rules. I like Daehawk in spite of it. And I know I can avoid it. So it's cool. It just bothers me because it detracts from my enjoyment of this place in a not insignificant way.

[Smoove_B]

If there's going to be a policy, it should be against hot-linking. Good lord. It's 2014.

[rshetts2]

Do you really think someone's going to decide not to sign up or contribute due to a paucity of NSFW threads, though? "Sh!t man, there's a distinct lack of boner fuel around here; I'm out." And if so, it was necessarily a great loss?

No I dont but then I expect that most women are mature enough that pictures in a NSFW thread are not going to chase them away either. Like it or not OO is predominately male. Any female who enters here can figure that out from the tone of the posts in pretty much any thread.
I do believe that imposed restrictions are more likely to turn someone away and not because it brings about a paucity of "boner material", thats just one aspect of NSFW restriction. If "boner material" is what they are looking for here then yeah they are in the wrong place. Honestly I havent seen anything in a NSFW thread that would qualify as spankeriffic, unless of course youre a teenage boy, those guys will spank to the Star Spangle Banner if it can make them stand up and salute.

Im not calling for these forums to go full on open and turn in to the wild west of pron or anything, all Im saying is that the staus quo has worked quite well and all that really needs to be done is to put the guidelines we have operated under for more than a decade, in the COC so we can avoid any future confusion. I do believe that controlling the proliferation of NSFW threads is a good idea. We really dont need ten threads running on the same basic subject, when one NSFW pic thread can handle the load quite easily. If we do get a bunch of those types of threads, couldnt a mod just simply merge them?

[hentzau]

I can't really say anything more that hasn't already been said, and much better, but I do want to chime in on the side that has concerns about the proliferation of NSFW tags leading to OO being blocked by my company's web filters. I always have OO opened in a tab, and it's my few minutes of relief from work several times a day. If it got blocked, I could work around it with my mobile device, but it would be inconvenient. I'm not advocating censorship...this is just for my own selfish needs.

I appreciate the mature discussion around this, and the moderators and admins for looking into it.

[KKBlue]

Not sure what the mods have been doing (messages to key posters) since the topic was created and comments abundant. Haven't noticed any chiming in. I've always felt OO had a way of working things out amongst the community. So many here are skilled with the crafting of sentences mixing in temperament and consideration. Actually surprised the thread hasn't been locked.

Regarding the topic, I looked once then again after about 10 posts or so thinking things would change for the respectable side (early on comments). Last night took the time to read through and read here too. Late to the whole thing thus weighing in now FWIW.

Being an adult doesn't mean one can do what ever one wants. In my opinion (AGAIN, this is general and not aimed at anyone in particular) respect should be a consideration for all.

Regarding the topic and posting. I would like a forum that wouldn't have me advoiding or rushing past pictures because, say, I was on a public computer. Please know I have posted in the judging girl (can't think of the topic) thread that bubbles back to he top now and then.

Regarding the topic, after reading through without judgement, I still don't understand why the thread wasn't locked. Other topics have had moderator interjection but please correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't see ya. Makes me sad that the envelope was thrown around (it went past being pushed) in 2014. Not offended by porn or the "right" to view it but rather the adult interactions regarding the topic with lack (lack= not much) of respect or consideration of the gaming forum as a whole.

[wonderpug]

No I dont but then I expect that most women are mature enough that pictures in a NSFW thread are not going to chase them away either.

Yikes. Do you hear how that sounds?

[GreenGoo]

I don't have a strong opinion about the subject matter and whatever the popular kids decide will be fine by me. For the record though, barring overly sexualized or underage-looking pictures (at least one of daehawk's pics appear to be extremely young), I don't have a problem with pics of attractive women being posted. It's obvious that Daehawk is more drooly than some of us here, but we're not exactly a diverse cross-section of society.

That said, I found hepcat's approach of ridiculing, attempts to embarrass and finally trying to recruit others to join in on the abuse, embarrassing. It was child-like, petty and mean spirited. In no way did he approach the problem in an adult manner and he should be taken to task for it. If he's decided to give himself a timeout, good.

And again, for the record, I find hepcat extremely funny and he is clearly a popular member of the forum. Losing him would be a sad day for OO. Unfortunately he has a habit of going off the handle on (from where I sit) random topics, whatever sets him off. Not sure if he's just having bad days when that happens, but he seems to lose all objectivity and decide that his viewpoint is the one that OO should adopt. This is not the first time hepcat has tried to moderate what other people post based on his own view, and not the first time he's gotten upset when people push back.

I don't particularly like hepcat, but he has made me laugh out loud more than once, which is something I feel is hard to do, and something I value. I'm trying to be objective.

Ok, a bit rambly. My gut feeling is that I'm more on Hepcat's side of this current equation than daehawk's, but I try very hard not to expect or demand that OO meet my own personal outlook (although we all have our triggers I guess).

tl;dr
I see hepcat's point, but don't agree that any lines have been crossed, yet. It would make me sad to see OO turn into yet another internet forum inundated with animated porn gifs. I think OO is and deserves better than that.

P.S. I'm not sure why everyone is ok with MHS's occasional pic but THESE (daehawk's current ones) pics are unacceptable.

[GreenGoo]

Not sure what the mods have been doing (messages to key posters) since the topic was created and comments abundant. Haven't noticed any chiming in. I've always felt OO had a way of working things out amongst the community. So many here are skilled with the crafting of sentences mixing in temperament and consideration. Actually surprised the thread hasn't been locked.

One of the best parts of OO is that the moderators ARE part of the community. Chances are they are discussing things behind the scenes while they decide what action (if any) they need to take. I assume Rip would be involved in these talks as well.

There is no need for them to rush to a solution and as with other times, with produce a thoughtful and acceptable compromise. They almost certainly will look for community buy-in before finalizing anything.

[pr0ner]

And, apparently, that random nsfw thread has caused hepcat to change his profile details and go inactive here.

That's really neither here nor there. Obviously that's the immediate cause of hepcat leaving, but he could just as easily have come over here and discussed this civilly instead of taking his marbles and going home.

Point is just that it doesn't really impact this discussion as far as I see it.

I felt it was important to add - if this event is the final push to make a long time member leave, it's relevant.

[pr0ner]

I'm not here campaigning for change, but the discussion raises questions I find important. Daehawk's latest post includes this image (NSFW, obviously), and the question that first comes to my mind isn't "Butt is it art?", but "WTF, dude? You can't even see her face." This is just unabashed glorification of a piece of meat without consideration for the human of whom it's only one small component, and it embarrasses me.

I'd agree with this, and also add that the .gif in the post with the giant animated penis that shows up in the end is in pretty poor taste, too.

[pr0ner]

P.S. I'm not sure why everyone is ok with MHS's occasional pic but THESE (daehawk's current ones) pics are unacceptable.

The pictures that really set off this debate weren't daehawk's, but ibdoomed's. Daehawk's pictures are being brought in since the conversation's talking about NSFW pictures as a whole vis a vis what the forum should look like and issues with objectification of women.

[Rip]

Not sure what the mods have been doing (messages to key posters) since the topic was created and comments abundant. Haven't noticed any chiming in. I've always felt OO had a way of working things out amongst the community. So many here are skilled with the crafting of sentences mixing in temperament and consideration. Actually surprised the thread hasn't been locked.

One of the best parts of OO is that the moderators ARE part of the community. Chances are they are discussing things behind the scenes while they decide what action (if any) they need to take. I assume Rip would be involved in these talks as well.

There is no need for them to rush to a solution and as with other times, with produce a thoughtful and acceptable compromise. They almost certainly will look for community buy-in before finalizing anything.

This, we have a lot of different people on complex schedules. We discuss things at a measured pace.

[GreenGoo]

P.S. I'm not sure why everyone is ok with MHS's occasional pic but THESE (daehawk's current ones) pics are unacceptable.

The pictures that really set off this debate weren't daehawk's, but ibdoomed's. Daehawk's pictures are being brought in since the conversation's talking about NSFW pictures as a whole vis a vis what the forum should look like and issues with objectification of women.

I originally wrote "fair enough" but hesitated and returned to the subject matter. While bdoomed's posts pushed the discussion into overdrive, hepcat was already on a crusade prior to that.

Daehawk is an easy target, and Daehawk is right when he claims that hepcat takes particular delight in picking on him (although I don't think that is a major part of what is happening here). Daehawk is not correct when he suggests that hepcat follows him around to do so.

Like I said earlier, I'm leaning more towards hepcat's opinion than daehawk's/ibdoomed's on this, and have on more than one occasion found daehawk's pics offputting and have even joined hepcat in picking on/criticizing Daehawk (not that I'm proud of that). I just don't think we've reached the point where action needs to be taken.

ibdoomed is a unique snowflake. I'm not saying he's the problem, but I will say that he pushes hard against OO forum norms, which has both positive and negative consequences. We've had other unique snowflakes that we were extra tolerant of just to keep them around for awhile. Whether ibdoomed is worth stretching for, I have no idea.

[GreenGoo]

And, apparently, that random nsfw thread has caused hepcat to change his profile details and go inactive here.

That's really neither here nor there. Obviously that's the immediate cause of hepcat leaving, but he could just as easily have come over here and discussed this civilly instead of taking his marbles and going home.

Point is just that it doesn't really impact this discussion as far as I see it.

I felt it was important to add - if this event is the final push to make a long time member leave, it's relevant.

It's my opinion that the subject of this discussion didn't make hepcat leave, it was the lack of support he got when he went after Daehawk, and even the pushback from Chaos Raven and others that really sent him packing. Hepcat does NOT like being made fun of when he's on a tear. He can dish it and he can take it, except for when he can't. Then it's catastrophic. I should know. I'm almost exactly the same way.

It's called "waking the bear" where I come from

[KKBlue]

Not sure what the mods have been doing (messages to key posters) since the topic was created and comments abundant. Haven't noticed any chiming in. I've always felt OO had a way of working things out amongst the community. So many here are skilled with the crafting of sentences mixing in temperament and consideration. Actually surprised the thread hasn't been locked.

One of the best parts of OO is that the moderators ARE part of the community. Chances are they are discussing things behind the scenes while they decide what action (if any) they need to take. I assume Rip would be involved in these talks as well.

There is no need for them to rush to a solution and as with other times, with produce a thoughtful and acceptable compromise. They almost certainly will look for community buy-in before finalizing anything.

This, we have a lot of different people on complex schedules. We discuss things at a measured pace.

Thank you for this

[Daehawk]

I'd agree with this, and also add that the .gif in the post with the giant animated penis that shows up in the end is in pretty poor taste, too

Actually thought that belonged in the silly pics thread because it was funny but it was too nsfw so it went in that thread.

[ibdoomed]

I feel I need to chime in here.

I'm not sure where to start.

I freely admit that I am weird. I have a very unusual sense of humor. Most people don't 'get' me.

Yesterday was a hectic fast paced day both here and in real life so things are slightly blurred in my memory and some things were never clear to begin with. Let me start with trying to figure out the sequence of events.

Daehawk created a NSFW thread and put some pics in it.
I got a pic from a friend who does porn for a living to share.
The pic in question was her completely topless holding a sign with my name on it (that I did not ask her to do and everyone in real life thought was cute).
I posted said pic unedited because I specifically remember seeing nipples in other threads in the past and calling into question the visibility of said nipple and no one caused a ruckus.
Hepcat made some very vague "wtf" style posts and I didn't know what he was "wtfing" about.
Someone else posted something that gave me reason to think that nipples were the problem.
I cropped the nipples out of the pic.
People still weren't happy.
I removed the pic.
This thread was made and discussions started here and there.
As an attempt to be funny, I cropped all nudity out of a pic of a woman giving a man pleasure.
That also upset people.

[$iljanus]

Not sure what the mods have been doing (messages to key posters) since the topic was created and comments abundant. Haven't noticed any chiming in. I've always felt OO had a way of working things out amongst the community. So many here are skilled with the crafting of sentences mixing in temperament and consideration. Actually surprised the thread hasn't been locked.

Directed more towards the community and just using KKBlue's post as a springboard. If anyone feels there's some objectionable posts/pics/links/etc in a thread please feel free to report it. I don't frequent the NSFW threads during the day because I'm at work so I and probably many of the mods who are working during the day also avoid the NSFW threads. If it's an objectionable picture, I can access the thread through the phone and deal with it that way or perhaps ask one of the other mods to take a look if they are able to safely.

As for NSFW threads in general, I don't have a problem with them as long as they are clearly marked and people aren't booby bombing random threads that aren't meant to be NSWF. The only problem unfortunately are those damn web filtering programs and I fear that OO may get blacklisted at work due to some critical mass of booty pics or just the wrong pics are posted one too many times.

[Daehawk]

But again why are people playing on the web at work? Shouldn't people being paid for a job be ...working? That sounds snarky I know but theres no other way to say it.

[GreenGoo]

I feel sympathy for those who have lost or might lose access to OO from work. It's an important part of a lot of peoples' day and it would suck for them to lose it. Participation is highest during the work day, less so at night and can be almost non-existent on the weekends.

That being said, my work has blocked just anything related to gaming and will often block sites that are only tangentially related to gaming. I have worried that I'd lose access to OO for it's gaming content far more than it's sexual content. In fact it had never crossed my mind about the latter, and I regularly go into NSFW threads while at work (partly because this is OO, not 4chan or Dongs'r'us) and one of the CoC rules was "no nipples" and for the most part that rule has been enforced and/or followed.

I guess my point is that even if we heavily restrict content to keep OO safe for work, it could easily be blocked anyway. Different workplaces have different restrictions on web usage. What constitutes a good compromise, I have no idea.

[GreenGoo]

But again why are people playing on the web at work? Shouldn't people being paid for a job be ...working? That sounds snarky I know but theres no other way to say it.

I'd leave this alone if I were you Daehawk. If people didn't come to OO during work hours, OO would all but cease to exist. Plus this isn't going to generate much sympathy for your stance on OO content.

[RunningMn9]

But again why are people playing on the web at work? Shouldn't people being paid for a job be ...working? That sounds snarky I know but theres no other way to say it.

I'll answer as soon as you tell me what the value is of you posting NSFW pics.