Trolls
Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:08 pm
The biggest troll on this board is an Admin, and Admin's can't be put on the Foe list. That is a problem that should be corrected, whether in the Board's setting's or the software's features.
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Isgrimnur wrote:Nothing burns calories like a flame war.
Carpet_pissr wrote:I always thought you were on the petite side, Rip? In fact, aren't you skinny as hell? Or am I thinking of someone else?
Certainly not big.
Isgrimnur wrote:Nothing burns calories like a flame war.
The Colonel: All that hate's gonna burn you up, kid.
Robert: It keeps me warm.
Fireball wrote:The biggest troll on this board is an Admin, and Admin's can't be put on the Foe list. That is a problem that should be corrected, whether in the Board's setting's or the software's features.
You don't see why you can't add an admin to a foe list?If you add a user to your foes list, any posts they make will be hidden by default.
To the original point, then. Why is one of the admins a troll?EvilHomer3k wrote:Admins are responsible for policing the forum.
I'm not.Fretmute wrote:To the original point, then. Why is one of the admins a troll?EvilHomer3k wrote:Admins are responsible for policing the forum.
[edit] - Or, since that question is sort of existential, why is a troll still an admin?
You're making light of this, but you've admitted as much in the past, and any reasonable person on this forum can see it.Rip wrote:I'm not.Fretmute wrote:To the original point, then. Why is one of the admins a troll?EvilHomer3k wrote:Admins are responsible for policing the forum.
[edit] - Or, since that question is sort of existential, why is a troll still an admin?
My mother had me tested.
I admit it in jest.Fretmute wrote:You're making light of this, but you've admitted as much in the past, and any reasonable person on this forum can see it.Rip wrote:I'm not.Fretmute wrote:To the original point, then. Why is one of the admins a troll?EvilHomer3k wrote:Admins are responsible for policing the forum.
[edit] - Or, since that question is sort of existential, why is a troll still an admin?
My mother had me tested.
It's an easy marker when you have avatars hidden. Just breeze past anyone's name in red. That's what I do.ImLawBoy wrote:It's worth noting here that Rip has the title of "Technical Admin". That's not because he's only an admin by technicality, but because he needs admin rights to do some of the technical stuff he does for the forum.
It's pretty obvious that Rip is one of the more provocative/trollish (depending on your perspective, I suppose) personalities on the forum. For the most part, though, he stays on the right side of the line. On the occasion that he does step over, I think we (as in the moderation staff) treat him like we do other posters. He doesn't get special leeway to make personal attacks, for example, and we'd call him on that if he started doing it. For reasons I don't fully understand, he still keeps trying to get R&P to bleed into EBG. We've been addressing those issues as they arise and moving threads where appropriate (some of them are fine in EBG).
I appreciate that some folks may prefer to use the board software to ignore Rip, but that's not in the cards right now. If you find him that unbearable, you'll have to use the old fashioned method of not reading any posts next to his name/avatar.
Arguing is one thing. A lot of people on here argue. A lot of us like arguing. Trolling is something else. Rip takes pleasure in posting things that upset and hurt people. Squire, jblank, and others were banned for causing less commotion and pain than Rip has. And there's no way to even block his posts. Any thread he chooses to shit in, he gets to derail.Zarathud wrote:Rip can usually take as much as he dishes out. I can respect that as we're often jumping up and down in each other's faces and sniping at each other in R&P.
Often WAAAAY on the right side, but we all take that into account. Sometimes we're even so kind as to try to deprogram him.ImLawBoy wrote: For the most part, though, he stays on the right side of the line.
No, I concur: He's usually wrong in a nothing-personal, even-tempered way.RunningMn9 wrote: Rip is wrong. A lot. About many things. But I don't find him specifically insulting towards people. Maybe I screen that out though?
Thank goodness you don't heap bile and derision upon any groups.Fireball wrote:Easy to say when you're not a member of one of the groups he heaps derision and bile upon hoping to bait you into a fight.
For someone who has a reputation for posting polemically yourself, this comes across as rather thin-skinned. So I would suggest you develop a thicker skin, and learn to resist such 'bait'.Fireball wrote:Easy to say when you're not a member of one of the groups he heaps derision and bile upon hoping to bait you into a fight.
It's easy to say because I've seen enough posts from group A and group B to understand the difference between ignorance and malice. If you can't tell the difference between Rip defending/advocating nonsense and...say...em2nought dropping hateful slurs, I don't know what to say.Fireball wrote:Easy to say when you're not a member of one of the groups he heaps derision and bile upon hoping to bait you into a fight.
There is no rule against trolling on these boards, and there never has been. Largely because not everyone agrees on what a troll is.Fireball wrote:em2nought isn't trolling. He's being a racist jerk, which is completely different.
Rip constantly trolls. He goads people into arguments intentionally, because he takes pleasure in causing other people pain. Is that or is that not allowed on these boards?
To be fair, I'm probably more insulting to Rip than he is to me on any given day.RunningMn9 wrote:I'm no fan of Rip and his penchant for ill-informed contrarianism- but comparing him to Squire and jblank feels unreasonable to me. Rip is wrong. A lot. About many things. But I don't find him specifically insulting towards people. Maybe I screen that out though?
I'm quite sure it doesn't please him.Toe wrote:I would like to add that not being able to "foe" Rip is my biggest issue with these forums and the primary reason I my participation here has waned. I am sure this pleases him. Why not make a second account for his admin work, one that he is instructed to use for admin purposes only?
The Foe of Toe?Rip wrote:I have no idea why anyone would think I get some kind of joy out of someone not posting.
Am I Dr. Horrible?
No. Victimhood is simply the new moral code in American life:Rip wrote:I have no idea why anyone would think I get some kind of joy out of someone not posting.
Am I Dr. Horrible?
The Atlantic wrote:The sociologists, Bradley Campbell and Jason Manning, cited the Oberlin incident as one of many examples of a new, increasingly common approach to handling conflict.
It isn’t honor culture.
“Honorable people are sensitive to insult, and so they would understand that microaggressions, even if unintentional, are severe offenses that demand a serious response,” they write. “But honor cultures value unilateral aggression and disparage appeals for help. Public complaints that advertise or even exaggerate one’s own victimization and need for sympathy would be anathema to a person of honor.”
But neither is it dignity culture:
“Members of a dignity culture, on the other hand, would see no shame in appealing to third parties, but they would not approve of such appeals for minor and merely verbal offenses. Instead they would likely counsel either confronting the offender directly to discuss the issue, or better yet, ignoring the remarks altogether.”
The culture on display on many college and university campuses, by way of contrast, is “characterized by concern with status and sensitivity to slight combined with a heavy reliance on third parties. People are intolerant of insults, even if unintentional, and react by bringing them to the attention of authorities or to the public at large. Domination is the main form of deviance, and victimization a way of attracting sympathy, so rather than emphasize either their strength or inner worth, the aggrieved emphasize their oppression and social marginalization.”
It is, they say, “a victimhood culture.”
Victimhood cultures emerge in settings, like today’s college campuses, “that increasingly lack the intimacy and cultural homogeneity that once characterized towns and suburbs, but in which organized authority and public opinion remain as powerful sanctions,” they argue. “Under such conditions complaint to third parties has supplanted both toleration and negotiation. People increasingly demand help from others, and advertise their oppression as evidence that they deserve respect and assistance. Thus we might call this moral culture a culture of victimhood ... the moral status of the victim, at its nadir in honor cultures, has risen to new heights.”
So Rip's a Podiatrist?Pyperkub wrote:The Foe of Toe?Rip wrote:I have no idea why anyone would think I get some kind of joy out of someone not posting.
Am I Dr. Horrible?
Toe's Foes?
I wouldn't phrase it that way. You get joy out of what you do. What you do makes some number of people not want to post. Whether or not THAT brings you joy, the practical effect is the same. You are you, and it causes people to just not want to bother being here anymore.Rip wrote:I have no idea why anyone would think I get some kind of joy out of someone not posting.