Israel–United States relations and associated politics

[Victoria Raverna]

Interview with Queen Rania of Jordan:

[GreenGoo]

I have literally never thought to myself, I wonder what the Queen of Jordan thinks about something? I should ask her.

Pass.

And this is not unique to her. There is a nearly infinite number of people I don't care what they think on any given topic. Many of those people are here on OO

[LordMortis]

I never thought of it but her 'thunk' has some weight, being a Queen, being Jordanian, being a Palestinian. She's watching closer and with more historical knowledge and informed present knowledge than most.

[Carpet_pissr]

I never thought of it but her 'thunk' has some weight, being a Queen, being Jordanian, being a Palestinian. She's watching closer and with more historical knowledge and informed present knowledge than most.

+1

[GreenGoo]

Ok, fair.

I still don't care. I think I've heard enough opinions on the subject to last me until the next palestinian/israeli crisis. At least.

[Victoria Raverna]

One source of news on Gaza silenced. I guess someone here is going to be happy about this.

[LawBeefaroni]

"Silenced?"

They shut down a local office. Al Jazeera is far from silenced. In fact:

WATCH: Al Jazeera promises to continue coverage of Gaza war despite Israeli ban

[El Guapo]

"Silenced?"

They shut down a local office. Al Jazeera is far from silenced. In fact:

WATCH: Al Jazeera promises to continue coverage of Gaza war despite Israeli ban

Well, the Israeli cabinet (per your link) voted to shutdown Al Jazeera's operations in the country. Israel may not be able to fully shutdown their ability to go into Gaza, and they can't limit their ability to operate / broadcast outside of Israel, but I have to think this is going to have a severe impact on their ability to report from Israel, and it has to put their reporters in Gaza at risk (since that's legally within Israel).

I don't know how it's all going to play out (I wouldn't be shocked if this is rolled back after the next Israeli elections), but...it's not good.

[Victoria Raverna]

"Silenced?"

They shut down a local office. Al Jazeera is far from silenced. In fact:

WATCH: Al Jazeera promises to continue coverage of Gaza war despite Israeli ban

So more like they tried to silence, but failed?

[Blackhawk]

When a biased news source gets quieter, I am neither happy nor sad. There are plenty of others to fill that particular void.

[Holman]

When a biased news source gets quieter, I am neither happy nor sad. There are plenty of others to fill that particular void.

Al-Jazeera's international reporting is considered less politically biased and more factually reliable than primetime (i.e. not punditshow) Fox News.

Would it be a good thing for the Biden administration to shut down Fox News because they don't like its reporting?

[Victoria Raverna]

When a biased news source gets quieter, I am neither happy nor sad. There are plenty of others to fill that particular void.

They're only biased to you because you used to your news source to be very biased to the other side.

Their bias rating is not that bad:

https://adfontesmedia.com/al-jazeera-bi ... liability/

Overview

Ad Fontes Media rates Al Jazeera (website) in the Skews Left category of bias and as Reliable, Analysis/Fact Reporting in terms of reliability. Al Jazeera (website) is a news organization funded in part by the government of Qatar. Launched in 1996 as a broadcast station “for the public benefit,” it is now a global network with bureaus in 70 locations around the world. Its television channels are broadcast in several languages, and its websites are published in both Arabic and English.

Overall Score
The following are the overall bias and reliability scores for Al Jazeera (website) according to our Ad Fontes Media ratings methodology.

Reliability: 41.55

Bias: -6.63

Panels of analysts from Ad Fontes Media regularly review representative sample content to rate it for reliability and bias. Each panel of analysts comprises one left-leaning, one right-leaning, and one center-leaning analyst.

The team considers a variety of factors when rating content. To determine its reliability score, we consider the content’s veracity, expression, its title/headline, and graphics. We add each of these scores to the chart on a weighted scale, with the average of those creating the sample content’s overall reliability score.

To determine sample content’s bias score, we consider its language, its political position, and how it compares to other reporting or analysis from other sources on the same topic. We add each of these scores to the chart on a weighted scale, with the average of those creating the content’s overall bias score.

The bias rating, demonstrated on the Media Bias Chart on the horizontal axis, ranges from most extreme left to middle to most extreme right. The reliability rating, demonstrated on the chart’s vertical axis, rates sources on a scale from original fact reporting to analysis, opinion, propaganda and inaccurate/fabricated information.

Reliability scores for articles and shows are on a scale of 0-64. Scores above 40 are generally good; scores below 24 are generally problematic. Scores between 24-40 indicate a range of possibilities, with some sources falling there because they are heavy in opinion and analysis, and some because they have a high variation in reliability between articles.

Bias scores for articles and shows are on a scale of -42 to +42, with higher negative scores being more left, higher positive scores being more right, and scores closer to zero being minimally biased, equally balanced, or exhibiting a centrist bias.

[em2nought]

Back in 2012(?) while on vacation in Thailand I thought Al Jazeera was a better source of international news than anything I had access to here. Of course if they now take anything HAMAS states as pure facts then they wouldn't be. Are there no war zone reporters anymore? Network lawyers won't let them report from war zones due to liability issues? I don't feel we get any accurate facts. I need to see what HAMAS did, and then I need to see what the IDF is doing.

[Victoria Raverna]

I think IDF limited the access of reporters to Gaza. Most of the reports coming out of Gaza were from local reporters that live in Gaza.

[Blackhawk]

I'll just quote this and save time.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/al-jazeera/

Bias Rating: LEFT-CENTER
Factual Reporting: MIXED
Country: Qatar
MBFC’s Country Freedom Rank: LIMITED FREEDOM
Media Type: TV Station
Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: MEDIUM CREDIBILITY

These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes) to favor liberal causes. These sources are generally trustworthy for information but may require further investigation. See all Left-Center sources.

In review, Al Jazeera reports news with minimally loaded wording in their headlines and articles such as this: UN approves team to monitor ceasefire in Yemen’s port city, and Erdogan delays Syria operation, welcomes US troop withdrawal. Both of these articles are properly sourced from credible news agencies. When reporting USA news, there is minimal bias in reporting such as this: Pentagon chief Mattis quits, cites policy differences with Trump. In general, straight news reporting has a minimal bias; however, as a state-funded news agency, Al Jazeera is typically not critical of Qatar.

Al Jazeera also has an opinion page that exhibits significant bias against Israel. In this article, the author uses highly negative emotional words as evidenced by this quote: “Europe is increasingly sharing Israel’s racist approach to border security and adopting its deadly technologies.” This article, however, is properly sourced from credible media outlets. Another article, “How many more ways can Israel sentence Palestinians to death?” also uses loaded language that is negative toward Israel. Further, the opinion page does not favor US President Donald Trump through this article: ‘Barbed wire-plus‘: Borders know no love. In general, opinion pieces are routinely biased against Israel and right-wing ideologies.

In other words, they're unbiased except in regards to Qatar and Israel. And yes, it said 'opinion page', but it still shows that where Israel is concerned, they're willing to look the other way when it comes to integrity. And, as things stand, there is active tension between Al Jazeera and Israel, who has, in the past, tried to expel the organization from the country (including a current effort.)

[Victoria Raverna]

I'll just quote this and save time.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/al-jazeera/

Bias Rating: LEFT-CENTER
Factual Reporting: MIXED
Country: Qatar
MBFC’s Country Freedom Rank: LIMITED FREEDOM
Media Type: TV Station
Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: MEDIUM CREDIBILITY

These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes) to favor liberal causes. These sources are generally trustworthy for information but may require further investigation. See all Left-Center sources.

In review, Al Jazeera reports news with minimally loaded wording in their headlines and articles such as this: UN approves team to monitor ceasefire in Yemen’s port city, and Erdogan delays Syria operation, welcomes US troop withdrawal. Both of these articles are properly sourced from credible news agencies. When reporting USA news, there is minimal bias in reporting such as this: Pentagon chief Mattis quits, cites policy differences with Trump. In general, straight news reporting has a minimal bias; however, as a state-funded news agency, Al Jazeera is typically not critical of Qatar.

Al Jazeera also has an opinion page that exhibits significant bias against Israel. In this article, the author uses highly negative emotional words as evidenced by this quote: “Europe is increasingly sharing Israel’s racist approach to border security and adopting its deadly technologies.” This article, however, is properly sourced from credible media outlets. Another article, “How many more ways can Israel sentence Palestinians to death?” also uses loaded language that is negative toward Israel. Further, the opinion page does not favor US President Donald Trump through this article: ‘Barbed wire-plus‘: Borders know no love. In general, opinion pieces are routinely biased against Israel and right-wing ideologies.

In other words, they're unbiased except in regards to Qatar and Israel. And yes, it said 'opinion page', but it still shows that where Israel is concerned, they're willing to look the other way when it comes to integrity. And, as things stand, there is active tension between Al Jazeera and Israel, who has, in the past, tried to expel the organization from the country (including a current effort.)

No more biased than US mainstream media sources.

For example NYT:

https://adfontesmedia.com/new-york-time ... liability/

The following are the overall bias and reliability scores for The New York Times according to our Ad Fontes Media ratings methodology.

Reliability: 42.00

Bias: -7.91

Panels of analysts from Ad Fontes Media regularly review representative sample content to rate it for reliability and bias. Each panel of analysts comprises one left-leaning, one right-leaning, and one center-leaning analyst.

The team considers a variety of factors when rating content. To determine its reliability score, we consider the content’s veracity, expression, its title/headline, and graphics. We add each of these scores to the chart on a weighted scale, with the average of those creating the sample content’s overall reliability score.

To determine sample content’s bias score, we consider its language, its political position, and how it compares to other reporting or analysis from other sources on the same topic. We add each of these scores to the chart on a weighted scale, with the average of those creating the content’s overall bias score.

The bias rating, demonstrated on the Media Bias Chart on the horizontal axis, ranges from most extreme left to middle to most extreme right. The reliability rating, demonstrated on the chart’s vertical axis, rates sources on a scale from original fact reporting to analysis, opinion, propaganda and inaccurate/fabricated information.

Reliability scores for articles and shows are on a scale of 0-64. Scores above 40 are generally good; scores below 24 are generally problematic. Scores between 24-40 indicate a range of possibilities, with some sources falling there because they are heavy in opinion and analysis, and some because they have a high variation in reliability between articles.

Bias scores for articles and shows are on a scale of -42 to +42, with higher negative scores being more left, higher positive scores being more right, and scores closer to zero being minimally biased, equally balanced, or exhibiting a centrist bias.

[Blackhawk]

Did I compare it to the NYT, which I don't read anymore because of their crap?

[Victoria Raverna]

Did I compare it to the NYT, which I don't read anymore because of their crap?

No. But NYT with all their problem is still a respected news media. They're not Fox News.

[Blackhawk]

Which still has bupkis to do with Al-Jazeera's bias toward Qatar and against Israel. They're not a reliable news source, regardless of how some people feel about the New York Times.

[Victoria Raverna]

Which still has bupkis to do with Al-Jazeera's bias toward Qatar and against Israel. They're not a reliable news source, regardless of how some people feel about the New York Times.

You're wrong about that. While they have their bias against Israel and also have bias toward Qatar, they're a reliable news source.

Even when reporting about Israel-Gaza, they are very reliable. A lot of other mainstream media reported the same things that they reported except Al Jazeera is usually faster in reacting to new incident at Gaza.

[Blackhawk]

they have their bias against Israel

Even when reporting about Israel-Gaza, they are very reliable.

These are not compatible.

[Victoria Raverna]

they have their bias against Israel

Even when reporting about Israel-Gaza, they are very reliable.

These are not compatible.

Then I guess you can't rely on mainstream US news media, too? Most if not all of them have bias toward Israel.

[Pyperkub]

Thousands rallying in Tel Aviv against Netanyahu

https://apnews.com/video/israel-governm ... 1ad3ca12dc

Protesters are demanding the government reach a deal to bring the hostages back from Gaza, for new elections and the resignation of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The demonstration took place as a delegation of the Palestinian militant group Hamas was in Cairo for cease-fire talks with Israel. (AP video by Shlomo Mor)

[em2nought]

they have their bias against Israel

Even when reporting about Israel-Gaza, they are very reliable.

These are not compatible.

Then I guess you can't rely on mainstream US news media, too? Most if not all of them have bias toward Israel.

Definitely can't rely on mainstream US news media, but they don't seem biased toward Israel to me. The mainstream media along with the current administration now seem more like Jew haters.

[hepcat]

Oh well, as long as they’re not attacking Trump’s leash holder in Russia, it’s still a win for Trumpers.

[LawBeefaroni]

"Silenced?"

They shut down a local office. Al Jazeera is far from silenced. In fact:

WATCH: Al Jazeera promises to continue coverage of Gaza war despite Israeli ban

Well, the Israeli cabinet (per your link) voted to shutdown Al Jazeera's operations in the country. Israel may not be able to fully shutdown their ability to go into Gaza, and they can't limit their ability to operate / broadcast outside of Israel, but I have to think this is going to have a severe impact on their ability to report from Israel, and it has to put their reporters in Gaza at risk (since that's legally within Israel).

I don't know how it's all going to play out (I wouldn't be shocked if this is rolled back after the next Israeli elections), but...it's not good.

It's not nothing but they're not silenced.

As far as their reporters' safety, that is certainly an issue but Al Jazeera reporters have never really been safe in Gaza (also Gaza) or the West Bank.


I guess I'm just saying that Al Jazeera will be able to continue their reporting with significant reach.

[Victoria Raverna]

"Silenced?"

They shut down a local office. Al Jazeera is far from silenced. In fact:

WATCH: Al Jazeera promises to continue coverage of Gaza war despite Israeli ban

Well, the Israeli cabinet (per your link) voted to shutdown Al Jazeera's operations in the country. Israel may not be able to fully shutdown their ability to go into Gaza, and they can't limit their ability to operate / broadcast outside of Israel, but I have to think this is going to have a severe impact on their ability to report from Israel, and it has to put their reporters in Gaza at risk (since that's legally within Israel).

I don't know how it's all going to play out (I wouldn't be shocked if this is rolled back after the next Israeli elections), but...it's not good.

It's not nothing but they're not silenced.

As far as their reporters' safety, that is certainly an issue but Al Jazeera reporters have never really been safe in Gaza (also Gaza) or the West Bank.


I guess I'm just saying that Al Jazeera will be able to continue their reporting with significant reach.

If this video is factual, then they're being silenced:

[Victoria Raverna]

Rafah invasion is imminent?

[LawBeefaroni]

"Silenced?"

They shut down a local office. Al Jazeera is far from silenced. In fact:

WATCH: Al Jazeera promises to continue coverage of Gaza war despite Israeli ban

Well, the Israeli cabinet (per your link) voted to shutdown Al Jazeera's operations in the country. Israel may not be able to fully shutdown their ability to go into Gaza, and they can't limit their ability to operate / broadcast outside of Israel, but I have to think this is going to have a severe impact on their ability to report from Israel, and it has to put their reporters in Gaza at risk (since that's legally within Israel).

I don't know how it's all going to play out (I wouldn't be shocked if this is rolled back after the next Israeli elections), but...it's not good.

It's not nothing but they're not silenced.

As far as their reporters' safety, that is certainly an issue but Al Jazeera reporters have never really been safe in Gaza (also Gaza) or the West Bank.


I guess I'm just saying that Al Jazeera will be able to continue their reporting with significant reach.

If this video is factual, then they're being silenced:

Is NBC News silenced because it's banned in North Korea?

Israel is blocking (censoring) Al Jazeera within Israel. Al Jazeera still has a voice in the rest of the world. We must have different understandings of the word "silenced."

[Isgrimnur]

U.S. put a hold on an ammunition shipment to Israel

The Biden administration last week put a hold on a shipment of U.S.-made ammunition to Israel, two Israeli officials told Axios.
...
The White House declined to comment.

The Pentagon, the State Department and the Israeli Prime Minister's Office didn't immediately respond to questions.

[Victoria Raverna]

"Silenced?"

They shut down a local office. Al Jazeera is far from silenced. In fact:

WATCH: Al Jazeera promises to continue coverage of Gaza war despite Israeli ban

Well, the Israeli cabinet (per your link) voted to shutdown Al Jazeera's operations in the country. Israel may not be able to fully shutdown their ability to go into Gaza, and they can't limit their ability to operate / broadcast outside of Israel, but I have to think this is going to have a severe impact on their ability to report from Israel, and it has to put their reporters in Gaza at risk (since that's legally within Israel).

I don't know how it's all going to play out (I wouldn't be shocked if this is rolled back after the next Israeli elections), but...it's not good.

It's not nothing but they're not silenced.

As far as their reporters' safety, that is certainly an issue but Al Jazeera reporters have never really been safe in Gaza (also Gaza) or the West Bank.


I guess I'm just saying that Al Jazeera will be able to continue their reporting with significant reach.

If this video is factual, then they're being silenced:

Is NBC News silenced because it's banned in North Korea?

Israel is blocking (censoring) Al Jazeera within Israel. Al Jazeera still has a voice in the rest of the world. We must have different understandings of the word "silenced."

I meant they're being silenced with their reporting from Israel or Gaza. They can still report stuffs just it is going to be much harder to report from inside Israel or Gaza. I think that counted as being silenced, right?

[hepcat]

Blocked, not silenced, as Lawbeef notes. I don't agree with it either, and I really think it's high time Netanyahu was run out of office for crap like this, but Al Jazeera isn't being shut down.

[GreenGoo]

they have their bias against Israel

Even when reporting about Israel-Gaza, they are very reliable.

These are not compatible.

Then I guess you can't rely on mainstream US news media, too? Most if not all of them have bias toward Israel.

He already answered you.

To save you time, his answer was yes. You are correct. The NYT in particular is not a news source he relies on any longer, and many other mainstream news sources are also off his list of reliable news.

I hope that helped your attempts to convince him that Al J while biased re: Israel, is not biased re: Israel.

[Victoria Raverna]

they have their bias against Israel

Even when reporting about Israel-Gaza, they are very reliable.

These are not compatible.

Then I guess you can't rely on mainstream US news media, too? Most if not all of them have bias toward Israel.

He already answered you.

To save you time, his answer was yes. You are correct. The NYT in particular is not a news source he relies on any longer, and many other mainstream news sources are also off his list of reliable news.

I hope that helped your attempts to convince him that Al J while biased re: Israel, is not biased re: Israel.

Then what is reliable news source for him or you? Your facebook friends?

[hepcat]

We, like yourself, only trust news sites that tell us what we want to believe.

[Victoria Raverna]

We, like yourself, only trust news sites that tell us what we want to believe.

Maybe you, not me. When I saw some news, I checked other news source to see if they're reporting the same thing. Now that doesn't guarantee the news are factual but at least that'll minimize "fake news".

[hepcat]

We, like yourself, only trust news sites that tell us what we want to believe.

Maybe you, definitely me.

FTFY

[Victoria Raverna]

We, like yourself, only trust news sites that tell us what we want to believe.

Maybe you, definitely me.

FTFY

Fucking ass.

[hepcat]

I mean, you insult others who disagree with you by joking they only trust their facebook friends for news, but get this upset when someone dings you back jokingly?

[El Guapo]

I'm low key fascinated by how difficult it is to maintain a civilized, informative discussion on Israel / Palestine. On all sides, mind you.