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Plaintiffs have not provided the Court with any evidence that Defendants’ conduct constitutes a true threat. ... Jennings’ social media posts also admonish volunteers to remain outside the statutorily prescribed seventy-five-foot voting location radius. ... Furthermore, the record contains evidence of Jennings’ social media posts instructing her affiliates not to engage with or talk to individuals at the drop boxes.

Jaymann wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:33 pm So won't these hillbilly stake outs actually help verify the legitimacy of the vote?

Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:25 pm

Plaintiffs have not provided the Court with any evidence that Defendants’ conduct constitutes a true threat. ... Jennings’ social media posts also admonish volunteers to remain outside the statutorily prescribed seventy-five-foot voting location radius. ... Furthermore, the record contains evidence of Jennings’ social media posts instructing her affiliates not to engage with or talk to individuals at the drop boxes.

Whoever intimidates, threatens, coerces, or attempts to intimidate, threaten, or coerce, any other person for the purpose of interfering with the right of such other person to vote or to vote as he may choose, or of causing such other person to vote for, or not to vote for, any candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, at any election held solely or in part for the purpose of electing such candidate, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

Smoove_B wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:17 am

Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:25 pm

Plaintiffs have not provided the Court with any evidence that Defendants’ conduct constitutes a true threat. ... Jennings’ social media posts also admonish volunteers to remain outside the statutorily prescribed seventy-five-foot voting location radius. ... Furthermore, the record contains evidence of Jennings’ social media posts instructing her affiliates not to engage with or talk to individuals at the drop boxes.

Whoever intimidates, threatens, coerces, or attempts to intimidate, threaten, or coerce, any other person for the purpose of interfering with the right of such other person to vote or to vote as he may choose, or of causing such other person to vote for, or not to vote for, any candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, at any election held solely or in part for the purpose of electing such candidate, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

So standing around in tactical gear isn't attempting to intimidate? As noted, someone needs to die in order for there to be an actual intimidation or attempt at intimidation? If what they're doing doesn't rise to the definition of attempting to intimidate, then I guess I don't understand anything.

Smoove_B wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:17 am So standing around in tactical gear isn't attempting to intimidate? As noted, someone needs to die in order for there to be an actual intimidation or attempt at intimidation? If what they're doing doesn't rise to the definition of attempting to intimidate, then I guess I don't understand anything.

malchior wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:11 pm Trump judge decides not issue TRO. The cases will likely be deemed mooted by the election so the issues raised won't be settled. We'll have to see if someone gets killed and maybe then it'll be worth looking at. It isn't hard to see that in the near future folks probably will just have to get used to armed randos staking out election ballot boxes.

Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:46 am The question becomes whether or not 25 yards is a sufficient distance. Obviously for an experienced rifle shooter, that's not a challenging distance.

Alefroth wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:06 pm

It seems difficult to get yourself thrown in jail in a civil suit.

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Alefroth wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 1:17 pm I wonder how the Dominion lawsuits are progressing.

“I did not believe it for one second.”

That was the answer Sean Hannity gave, under oath, in a deposition in Dominion’s $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit against Fox News, according to information disclosed in a court hearing on Wednesday.

Fox argues that Hannity and the other presenters are protected by journalistic privilege but that position has been complicated by the Fox host’s own description of his role.

In defending his overt bias in favour of Trump and Republicans, Hannity has more than once said he is not a journalist but a talk show host, and so does not have to adhere to the profession’s ethical standards.

Under the new law, voters must present a photo ID when they cast their ballot in person, although the ID doesn't need to have their current address on it. Qualifying IDs include an Ohio driver's license, state ID, U.S. passport, passport card, military ID or interim identification issued by the Bureau of Motor Vehicles.

Ohioans will have to show photo ID to vote on Election Day
Voters can no longer use utility bills, other documents to vote
Mail-in ballots must arrive within 4 days from Election Day instead of 10
Each Ohio county can have only one drob box for ballots

After months of closed door testimony, the special grand jury seated as part of the Fulton County, Georgia, investigation into potential 2020 election interference has finished its work and submitted its final report, according to a filing in the case Monday morning.

The special grand jury, which was seated in May 2022 as part of the investigation into former President Donald Trump's efforts to overturn the election, heard testimony from some of Trump's closet allies and supporters -- including lawyers Rudy Giuliani and John Eastman and Sen. Lindsey Graham.

Now, the grand jury has delivered its report and officially has been dissolved, according to a court order by Judge Robert C. McBurney filed on Monday morning.

A newly released audio recording offers a behind-the-scenes look at how former President Donald Trump’s campaign team in a pivotal battleground state knew they had been outflanked by Democrats in the 2020 presidential election. But even as they acknowledged defeat, they pivoted to allegations of widespread fraud that were ultimately debunked — repeatedly — by elections officials and the courts.

The audio from Nov. 5, 2020, two days after the election, is surfacing as Trump again seeks the White House while continuing to lie about the legitimacy of the outcome and Democrat Joe Biden’s win.

The Wisconsin political operatives in the strategy session even praised Democratic turnout efforts in the state’s largest counties and appeared to joke about their efforts to engage Black voters, according to the recording obtained Thursday by The Associated Press. The audio centers on Andrew Iverson, who was the head of Trump’s campaign in the state.

“Here’s the drill: Comms is going to continue to fan the flame and get the word out about Democrats trying to steal this election. We’ll do whatever they need (inaudible) help with. Just be on standby in case there’s any stunts we need to pull,” Iverson said.

Iverson is now the Midwest regional director for the Republican National Committee. He deferred questions about the meeting to the RNC, whose spokesperson, Keith Schipper, declined comment because he had not heard the recording.

Mike Pence is preparing to resist a grand jury subpoena for testimony about former President Donald Trump’s push to overturn the 2020 election, according to two people familiar with the former vice president’s thinking.

Pence’s decision to challenge Special Counsel Jack Smith’s request has little to do with executive privilege, the people said. Rather, Pence is set to argue that his former role as president of the Senate — therefore a member of the legislative branch — shields him from certain Justice Department demands.

Pence allies say he is covered by the constitutional provision that protects congressional officials from legal proceedings related to their work — language known as the “speech or debate” clause. The clause, Pence allies say, legally binds federal prosecutors from compelling Pence to testify about the central components of Smith’s investigation. If Pence testifies, they say, it could jeopardize the separation of powers that the Constitution seeks to safeguard.

stessier wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 9:41 am Interesting. I think people aren't able to be a member of two branches at the same time either - which the VP would be under that theory.

The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

malchior wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 9:30 am Cue up another year or two of delay while they kick around another novel legal theory.

Defiant wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:43 pm

The FBI has arrested a Donald Trump supporter allegedly to have stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, while wearing the head of a panda costume.

Jesse James Rumson was arrested Monday in Florida, according to court records, and charged with multiple offenses, including assaulting, resisting or impeding an officer and engaging in physical violence in a restricted building or grounds.
...
The FBI identified Rumson as the man in the panda head because he wore it on and off during the storming of the Capitol and he was caught on video and in photos with his face in full view, an FBI special agent said in an affidavit supporting his arrest.

gbasden wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 8:44 pm

Defiant wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:43 pm

Whee. It's sad that in this shitty timeline spouting insane nonsense as your campaign platform gives you all of a 2.3% disadvantage.

El Guapo wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:13 pm
FWIW that is a massive disadvantage in electoral terms - losing essentially five points (because you're generally losing votes to your opponent, meaning 2.3% is really closer to 4.6%) on a single issue is really hard to do especially in polarized times.

Of course this is also frustrating / disappointing because this should be completely disqualifying. But just want to say that the percentage impact here is a lot larger than just the raw number makes it sound like.