That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons bring us some web forums whereupon we can gather
https://www.octopusoverlords.com/forum/
https://www.octopusoverlords.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=97657
What do you mean? This is about population shifts between states, and it appears that the gain in Red states was actually a little less than some demographers expected.
Except in New York, where it obviously brought the totals down more than 89 people. I wonder who would have lost a seat if New York hadn't made the cut?
NJ's official 2020 population is 9.29 million. That's higher than at least I expected, and an example of why we need to stop citing the United Van Lines survey. The 2019 Census estimate was 8.82 million.
While the 2019 ACS did a decent job estimating population overall, they clearly got it WAY off in a few states, specifically NJ, NY, RI, and AZ, leading to the massive surprises in apportionment we saw today.
Guess we need even more police chiefs and fire chiefs and Administrators all making significantly more than the citizen's do. Cynical joking aside I'm luckily not feeling any of that expansion down here in my environs but it is only a matter of time.
The only thing worse than sack of shit Trump is sack of shit Christie. Feel free to CC this over in the Defining the 21st Century Republican Party thread as well. Degenerate cultists.Sean Hannity asked the former New Jersey governor what grade he would give Trump’s presidency.
“Overall I give the president an A,” Christie said.
Without directly referencing the riots or election attacks directly, Christie went on to say, “There were some things that happened specifically at the end of the presidency that I think had some things that clouded his accomplishments, and that’s why we as a party need to emphasize the issues you just talked about.”
Christie told Hannity he’s not ruling out a presidential run in 2024, and continued to say President Joe Biden is a liar.
Even Christie doesn't believe this.
The biggest threat to American democracy is simply that the current rules make prolonged minority rule fairly likely.
Democrats won a chance to rectify that, but are not prioritizing it.
Suppose Democrats match their 1998 vote share? Well they’ll lose the House.
Then suppose the economy, while still fine, is definitely slowing down by 2024 so Biden wins the popular vote by “only” 2.5 points.
They’ll lose the senate and White House.
OK, I think it's high time we play "Rank the Self-serving Twats" in terms of awfulness. There has been and continues to be way too much sloppy finger-pointing at various political monsters as THE WORST. Let's clarify this shit right here and now.Smoove_B wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 9:42 pm Chris Christie trying to appeal to the cult, delivers his opinion:
The only thing worse than sack of shit Trump is sack of shit Christie. Feel free to CC this over in the Defining the 21st Century Republican Party thread as well. Degenerate cultists.Sean Hannity asked the former New Jersey governor what grade he would give Trump’s presidency.
“Overall I give the president an A,” Christie said.
Without directly referencing the riots or election attacks directly, Christie went on to say, “There were some things that happened specifically at the end of the presidency that I think had some things that clouded his accomplishments, and that’s why we as a party need to emphasize the issues you just talked about.”
Christie told Hannity he’s not ruling out a presidential run in 2024, and continued to say President Joe Biden is a liar.
Also, F Sean Hannity.
First, you can't make a list like that and then not put them in order. What the hell, man?Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 3:23 pmOK, I think it's high time we play "Rank the Self-serving Twats" in terms of awfulness. There has been and continues to be way too much sloppy finger-pointing at various political monsters as THE WORST. Let's clarify this shit right here and now.Smoove_B wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 9:42 pm Chris Christie trying to appeal to the cult, delivers his opinion:
The only thing worse than sack of shit Trump is sack of shit Christie. Feel free to CC this over in the Defining the 21st Century Republican Party thread as well. Degenerate cultists.Sean Hannity asked the former New Jersey governor what grade he would give Trump’s presidency.
“Overall I give the president an A,” Christie said.
Without directly referencing the riots or election attacks directly, Christie went on to say, “There were some things that happened specifically at the end of the presidency that I think had some things that clouded his accomplishments, and that’s why we as a party need to emphasize the issues you just talked about.”
Christie told Hannity he’s not ruling out a presidential run in 2024, and continued to say President Joe Biden is a liar.
Also, F Sean Hannity.
RANK! (List is just off the top of the head, and my personal ranking, 1 being worst)
11. Chris Christie
6. Lindsey Fucking Graham
1. Donald Trump
4. Sean Hannity
3. Mitch McConnell
5. Marjorie Q. Taylor Green
12. Newt Gingrich
7.Matt Gaetz
2. Ted Cruz
10. Kevin McCarthy
8. Josh Hawley
9.Jim Jordan
DAMN IT! I knew I was missing someone big. THANK YOU. Fixing. FIXEDcoopasonic wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 3:25 pmFirst, you can't make a list like that and then not put them in order. What the hell, man?Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 3:23 pmOK, I think it's high time we play "Rank the Self-serving Twats" in terms of awfulness. There has been and continues to be way too much sloppy finger-pointing at various political monsters as THE WORST. Let's clarify this shit right here and now.Smoove_B wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 9:42 pm Chris Christie trying to appeal to the cult, delivers his opinion:
The only thing worse than sack of shit Trump is sack of shit Christie. Feel free to CC this over in the Defining the 21st Century Republican Party thread as well. Degenerate cultists.Sean Hannity asked the former New Jersey governor what grade he would give Trump’s presidency.
“Overall I give the president an A,” Christie said.
Without directly referencing the riots or election attacks directly, Christie went on to say, “There were some things that happened specifically at the end of the presidency that I think had some things that clouded his accomplishments, and that’s why we as a party need to emphasize the issues you just talked about.”
Christie told Hannity he’s not ruling out a presidential run in 2024, and continued to say President Joe Biden is a liar.
Also, F Sean Hannity.
RANK! (List is just off the top of the head, and my personal ranking, 1 being worst)
11. Chris Christie
6. Lindsey Fucking Graham
1. Donald Trump
4. Sean Hannity
3. Mitch McConnell
5. Marjorie Q. Taylor Green
12. Newt Gingrich
7.Matt Gaetz
2. Ted Cruz
10. Kevin McCarthy
8. Josh Hawley
9.Jim Jordan
Second, where does Fucker Carlson rank?
After calling Trump a conspiracist who is hurting the party and the nation, Christie said that in 2024 “he would not rule out supporting the former president if he saw no path for himself.”
Wallace: The book is about conspiracy and lies and you really don’t take on Fox News, why not? Have you seen The Tucker Carlson show?
Christie: No I don’t watch it
Wallace: Are you aware of what he does?
Christie: Not really
Sold ~2300 copies in the first week. Now go away.Turns out no one wants to read the bridgegate guys hot takes
I don't think it is bad at politics. He was very effective in NJ despite (or maybe due to) his serious ethical lapses. He moved the needle on several issues despite walking in what should have been a hostile environment for him to succeed in.
I think it sort of looks like what passes for cognitive dissonance in the GOP. He is a shameless opportunist who knows where he needs to go. He has dabbled in it at times but he can't quite commit to a soul-draining dive into the massive cesspool where the several levers of power are being wielded right now in his party.There's no market for this kind of "one foot in both camps" shit that he's trying to pull. Either go full MAGA or fully break with Trump and give some useful behind-the-scenes info.
If Biden does run, as an incumbent, he has an advantage. But if he chooses not to, that doesn't mean Democrats are doomed.
A primary campaign between Harris and Buttigieg could pit two key Democratic constituencies against each other: African Americans, particularly African American women, and LGBTQ voters. The impact of that fight would be even worse if it began in 2023 and took over the second half of Biden's current term.
Fortunately, this is a problem that can be easily solved without either politician having to give up anything lasting. Harris and Buttigieg instead could agree that, if Biden does not run again, they would run together in 2024, with Harris the nominee for president and Buttigieg for vice-president. This could put an end to whatever feuding exists between them now, while giving the Democratic Party a very strong ticket in 2024 that would seem like a natural continuation of Biden's first term.
A Harris-Buttigieg ticket would showcase two dynamic politicians and represent the breadth and diversity of the Democratic Party, and indeed the whole country, while not veering too far left and alienating key swing voters who Biden won in 2020.
No thank you. This is a last stand and that's not a winning ticket.Little Raven wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 2:49 pm Harris-Buttigieg, anyone?If Biden does run, as an incumbent, he has an advantage. But if he chooses not to, that doesn't mean Democrats are doomed.
A primary campaign between Harris and Buttigieg could pit two key Democratic constituencies against each other: African Americans, particularly African American women, and LGBTQ voters. The impact of that fight would be even worse if it began in 2023 and took over the second half of Biden's current term.
Fortunately, this is a problem that can be easily solved without either politician having to give up anything lasting. Harris and Buttigieg instead could agree that, if Biden does not run again, they would run together in 2024, with Harris the nominee for president and Buttigieg for vice-president. This could put an end to whatever feuding exists between them now, while giving the Democratic Party a very strong ticket in 2024 that would seem like a natural continuation of Biden's first term.
A Harris-Buttigieg ticket would showcase two dynamic politicians and represent the breadth and diversity of the Democratic Party, and indeed the whole country, while not veering too far left and alienating key swing voters who Biden won in 2020.
mAyBe tHeY nEeD mOrE pRoGrEsSiVeS?LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:03 pm No thank you. This is a last stand and that's not a winning ticket.
[Trent Steel]Little Raven wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 2:49 pm Harris-Buttigieg, anyone?If Biden does run, as an incumbent, he has an advantage. But if he chooses not to, that doesn't mean Democrats are doomed.
A primary campaign between Harris and Buttigieg could pit two key Democratic constituencies against each other: African Americans, particularly African American women, and LGBTQ voters. The impact of that fight would be even worse if it began in 2023 and took over the second half of Biden's current term.
Fortunately, this is a problem that can be easily solved without either politician having to give up anything lasting. Harris and Buttigieg instead could agree that, if Biden does not run again, they would run together in 2024, with Harris the nominee for president and Buttigieg for vice-president. This could put an end to whatever feuding exists between them now, while giving the Democratic Party a very strong ticket in 2024 that would seem like a natural continuation of Biden's first term.
A Harris-Buttigieg ticket would showcase two dynamic politicians and represent the breadth and diversity of the Democratic Party, and indeed the whole country, while not veering too far left and alienating key swing voters who Biden won in 2020.
Sounds positively Hillaryesque. Lots of bad reasons not to vote for this ticket. Some pretty good ones too. Harris is a cop, and right wing. Pro establishment. Add to all that, Biden froze her out so she's not really doing anything except standing by for a flight which may never take off.Little Raven wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 2:49 pm Harris-Buttigieg, anyone?If Biden does run, as an incumbent, he has an advantage. But if he chooses not to, that doesn't mean Democrats are doomed.
A primary campaign between Harris and Buttigieg could pit two key Democratic constituencies against each other: African Americans, particularly African American women, and LGBTQ voters. The impact of that fight would be even worse if it began in 2023 and took over the second half of Biden's current term.
Fortunately, this is a problem that can be easily solved without either politician having to give up anything lasting. Harris and Buttigieg instead could agree that, if Biden does not run again, they would run together in 2024, with Harris the nominee for president and Buttigieg for vice-president. This could put an end to whatever feuding exists between them now, while giving the Democratic Party a very strong ticket in 2024 that would seem like a natural continuation of Biden's first term.
A Harris-Buttigieg ticket would showcase two dynamic politicians and represent the breadth and diversity of the Democratic Party, and indeed the whole country, while not veering too far left and alienating key swing voters who Biden won in 2020.
Bernie/AOCJaymann wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 6:02 pm[Trent Steel]Little Raven wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 2:49 pm Harris-Buttigieg, anyone?If Biden does run, as an incumbent, he has an advantage. But if he chooses not to, that doesn't mean Democrats are doomed.
A primary campaign between Harris and Buttigieg could pit two key Democratic constituencies against each other: African Americans, particularly African American women, and LGBTQ voters. The impact of that fight would be even worse if it began in 2023 and took over the second half of Biden's current term.
Fortunately, this is a problem that can be easily solved without either politician having to give up anything lasting. Harris and Buttigieg instead could agree that, if Biden does not run again, they would run together in 2024, with Harris the nominee for president and Buttigieg for vice-president. This could put an end to whatever feuding exists between them now, while giving the Democratic Party a very strong ticket in 2024 that would seem like a natural continuation of Biden's first term.
A Harris-Buttigieg ticket would showcase two dynamic politicians and represent the breadth and diversity of the Democratic Party, and indeed the whole country, while not veering too far left and alienating key swing voters who Biden won in 2020.
No Chance. NO CHANCE.
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Harris/AOC on the other hand...
No one hearing from her is potentially as much as problem as hearing too much. What we've heard though is not great especially the infighting in the VP's office. I suspect she is just trying to survive having little power to control her own fate in a situation where it is impossible to succeed. Biden has been assigning her to impossible tasks considering our political dysfunction. Her first two tasks were immigration and voting rights? Two things squarely resting with a forever broken Congress.YellowKing wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:41 am I'm already prepping for Trump 2.0 if Harris runs. She's not even a popular VICE president, and that's even with nobody hearing from her.
Bookmarked for future Nelsoning.
I mean, at his age going by actuarial tables the risk of a major health setback isn't trivial, and the line here can be a little fuzzy. But if he's essentially in the same condition in 2023 as he is now, he's running. It'd be crazy to forego the benefits of incumbency and being a safe white older christian guy (plus avoiding primary infighting) going into the battles of 2024.Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:50 amBookmarked for future Nelsoning.
FWIW I consider advanced physiological deterioration a major health setback.
This.LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:03 pm No thank you. This is a last stand and that's not a winning ticket.
We cannot possibly be seriously considering running an 82 year old man for President. That’s either severe civic negligence or elder abuse. Possibly both.