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LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:38 pm

LordMortis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:24 pm I see a lot of Trump 2024 flags and stickers. I don't know that the deplorables are ready to change and if they aren't then I don't see Trump's ego giving up even if he loses the primary he has yet to enter, so I don't see GOP switching horses. I'm not sure what can/will change that stance at this point.

If you can convince him he's protected from prosecution it wouldn't take a lot of money to buy off Trump.

If he thinks that becomming president is the only way to protect his decrepit empire, then he probably can't be dissuaded.

LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:38 pm

LordMortis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:24 pm I see a lot of Trump 2024 flags and stickers. I don't know that the deplorables are ready to change and if they aren't then I don't see Trump's ego giving up even if he loses the primary he has yet to enter, so I don't see GOP switching horses. I'm not sure what can/will change that stance at this point.

If you can convince him he's protected from prosecution it wouldn't take a lot of money to buy off Trump.

If he thinks that becomming president is the only way to protect his decrepit empire, then he probably can't be dissuaded.

El Guapo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:41 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:38 pm

LordMortis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:24 pm I see a lot of Trump 2024 flags and stickers. I don't know that the deplorables are ready to change and if they aren't then I don't see Trump's ego giving up even if he loses the primary he has yet to enter, so I don't see GOP switching horses. I'm not sure what can/will change that stance at this point.

If you can convince him he's protected from prosecution it wouldn't take a lot of money to buy off Trump.

If he thinks that becomming president is the only way to protect his decrepit empire, then he probably can't be dissuaded.

Yeah, this is the thing. DeSantis seems like exactly the kind of guy who would go to Trump and say "look, just stay home, let me run, I'll let you do whatever you want and protect you from prosecution, and you don't have to do any of the work", and mean it. You figure that's a pretty tempting offer for Trump.

Of course, Trump is not the most trusting guy, and he would have to trust DeSantis to fulfill his end of the bargain.

Octavious wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:33 pm It's not like Trump is a good debater. His yelling over Biden actually lost him points in the last election. I have no idea how good Desantis is at debating.

In an ideal world neither would be running and we wouldn't be proping up an 80+ year old dude. It's ridiculous how that generation has held onto power until the very last second of life.

El Guapo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:51 pmWe're in a very 1980s Soviet Union posture in our leadership right now.

YellowKing wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:43 pm The logical side of me would want Trump to run again because Biden at least has a fairly decent chance at beating him. However, I'm not sure I could mentally handle four more years of Trump in the off chance he won.

DeSantis is going to be a nightmarish hellscape, but at least it will be a different brand of evil. I feel like if we're screwed either way, give me the guy that's evil but not evil AND crazy.

Little Raven wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:30 pm I would like to subscribe to Kurth's newsletter.

Yes, Trump is the candidate the Democrats are most likely to defeat in 2024. Heck, the way things are going, Trump is quite possibly the only candidate that could lose in 2024. Doesn't matter. We'll survive President DeSantis. (or Pence, or Abbott, or *shudder* even Cruz) They'll be bad, but all indications are that they will be regular Republican President bad. Trump won't be.

Kurth wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:01 pm

YellowKing wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:43 pm The logical side of me would want Trump to run again because Biden at least has a fairly decent chance at beating him. However, I'm not sure I could mentally handle four more years of Trump in the off chance he won.

DeSantis is going to be a nightmarish hellscape, but at least it will be a different brand of evil. I feel like if we're screwed either way, give me the guy that's evil but not evil AND crazy.

No logical side of anyone should want Trump to run again. Desantis is a deplorable scumbag. But he's not Trump.

I'll say it again: Trump is a unique danger to this country. If he runs in 2024 and is elected (or successfully claims he was elected), all of malchior's doomsaying about this country being dead and buried. The country cannot survive a known traitor who attacked it being elected President. That cannot happen.

El Guapo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:59 pm

Little Raven wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:30 pm I would like to subscribe to Kurth's newsletter.

Yes, Trump is the candidate the Democrats are most likely to defeat in 2024. Heck, the way things are going, Trump is quite possibly the only candidate that could lose in 2024. Doesn't matter. We'll survive President DeSantis. (or Pence, or Abbott, or *shudder* even Cruz) They'll be bad, but all indications are that they will be regular Republican President bad. Trump won't be.

I mostly agree, but I don't think that DeSantis would be regular Republican president bad (or, alternatively, I'm not sure that "Regular Republican President" will be what it used to be). DeSantis is leading anti-vaccination efforts *and* he's using Florida state power to punish political opponents in a very Trumpian / authoritarian way. I think he'd be 90% of what Trump was as president (but would do a better job of polishing it).

Little Raven wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:30 pm I would like to subscribe to Kurth's newsletter.

Yes, Trump is the candidate the Democrats are most likely to defeat in 2024. Heck, the way things are going, Trump is quite possibly the only candidate that could lose in 2024. Doesn't matter. We'll survive President DeSantis. (or Pence, or Abbott, or *shudder* even Cruz) They'll be bad, but all indications are that they will be regular Republican President bad. Trump won't be.

Little Raven wrote:I would like to subscribe to Kurth's newsletter.

Yes, Trump is the candidate the Democrats are most likely to defeat in 2024. Heck, the way things are going, Trump is quite possibly the only candidate that could lose in 2024. Doesn't matter. We'll survive President DeSantis. (or Pence, or Abbott, or *shudder* even Cruz) They'll be bad, but all indications are that they will be regular Republican President bad. Trump won't be.

El Guapo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:59 pm

Little Raven wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:30 pm I would like to subscribe to Kurth's newsletter.

Yes, Trump is the candidate the Democrats are most likely to defeat in 2024. Heck, the way things are going, Trump is quite possibly the only candidate that could lose in 2024. Doesn't matter. We'll survive President DeSantis. (or Pence, or Abbott, or *shudder* even Cruz) They'll be bad, but all indications are that they will be regular Republican President bad. Trump won't be.

I mostly agree, but I don't think that DeSantis would be regular Republican president bad (or, alternatively, I'm not sure that "Regular Republican President" will be what it used to be). DeSantis is leading anti-vaccination efforts *and* he's using Florida state power to punish political opponents in a very Trumpian / authoritarian way. I think he'd be 90% of what Trump was as president (but would do a better job of polishing it).

THREAD: Capitol riot defendant David Ticas was accused of bringing his 16 y/o daughter with him into Capitol on Jan 6.... and mocking/harassing police

Ticas is a former Marine

He's written a letter to judge seeking leniency at sentencing. It's quite something...

malchior wrote:And he is only looking at 90 days. 90 days! He brought his daughter along with him to a violent riot at the Capitol. This system is broken. People get a whole lot more prison time for a whole lot less.

msteelers wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 8:31 am

malchior wrote:And he is only looking at 90 days. 90 days! He brought his daughter along with him to a violent riot at the Capitol. This system is broken. People get a whole lot more prison time for a whole lot less.

If only they could prove he had a joint on him at the time. Then he would be in real trouble.

A Pennsylvania woman who allegedly used a bullhorn to share detailed plans of the interior of the U.S. Capitol building on Jan. 6 will not have her pretrial conditions loosened, a federal judge has ruled.

Rachel Powell, 42, had filed a motion asking Senior U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth to relax the conditions of her pretrial release, which include home detention and location monitoring by way of a GPS ankle bracelet.

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Since her arrest in February 2021, she has been on home detention, which has allowed her to work 40 hours a week. At a hearing Thursday, Powell argued that her release conditions were far too restrictive, claiming that she was unable to do her job and care for her family.

Powell, who said she works in publishing, told Lamberth that her job requires a flexible schedule and that she has had to leave business events early in order to comply with her nightly curfew.

“It’s just impossible to do my job well,” Powell said.

Powell also said that home detention prevents her from taking her young children, who she said have always been homeschooled, on field trips and other extracurricular activities.

“It’s really detrimental to them and their education with me not being able to take them to their activities,” Powell said, adding that a friend had to take her kids shopping for winter clothing because she wasn’t allowed to leave her home.

The judge reminded Powell that her situation was temporary.

“These are serious felonies,” Lamberth said. “You’re not going to be sitting around your apartment much longer; you’re going to be sitting in a jail cell if you’re convicted.”

malchior wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:39 amin a modern democracy.

Again: the Oath Keepers intended to murder multiple elected officials around America, *starting* on January 6, 2021 - but planning to keep killing until Trump could retain power. Death list. Elected officials - and their family members.

Smoove_B wrote:The number of people writing letters asking for leniency is absurd. I hope he's given the maximum sentence and every minute is hell.

THREAD: Capitol riot defendant David Ticas was accused of bringing his 16 y/o daughter with him into Capitol on Jan 6.... and mocking/harassing police

Ticas is a former Marine

He's written a letter to judge seeking leniency at sentencing. It's quite something...

He brought his 16 year old daughter and is complaining about tear gas.

Wow — Steve Bannon’s lawyer David Schoen to Judge Nichols: “What’s the point of going to trial if we don’t have any defences”

A federal judge on Monday denied a request by Steve Bannon for his contempt-of-Congress trial to be delayed from its July 18 start date and severely limited the defenses that the former Donald Trump adviser could put forward at the trial.

The rulings from US District Judge Carl Nichols came after court filings overnight that showed that the FBI interviewed Trump's attorney two weeks ago. The disclosure from federal prosecutors in the filings could significantly shape the Justice Department's sprawling investigation into the January 6, 2021, Capitol riot.

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In a Monday court filing, federal prosecutors called Bannon's willingness to now testify before the House select committee a "last-minute" effort that doesn't change the case against him, pointing out that he has not produced subpoenaed records.
"The Defendant's last-minute efforts to testify almost nine months after his default — he has still made no effort to produce records — are irrelevant to whether he willfully refused to comply in October 2021 with the Select Committee's subpoena," prosecutors wrote.

"The criminal contempt statute is not intended to procure compliance; it is intended to punish past noncompliance," prosecutors said.

Just as they did with former President Trump, instead of letting voters see Walker for who he really is, the professional Republican class is devoting itself to coddling the candidate and covering up for him. And when it gets too icky, they dish quotes to their favorite reporters to make themselves feel better about their life choices. These people aren’t stupid enough to believe that their candidates are fit for office; they’re just trying to trick voters into being that dumb.

The National Republican Senatorial Committee recently deployed their A-team to Georgia on a “rescue mission” to save Walker from himself. This came after a team of senators banded together to personally tutor Walker on policy issues. All of whom seem to be operating under the illusion that Walker, with the right people around him and proper guard rails in place, can be steered in the right direction.

Pyperkub wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:35 pm

Just as they did with former President Trump, instead of letting voters see Walker for who he really is, the professional Republican class is devoting itself to coddling the candidate and covering up for him. And when it gets too icky, they dish quotes to their favorite reporters to make themselves feel better about their life choices. These people aren’t stupid enough to believe that their candidates are fit for office; they’re just trying to trick voters into being that dumb.

The National Republican Senatorial Committee recently deployed their A-team to Georgia on a “rescue mission” to save Walker from himself. This came after a team of senators banded together to personally tutor Walker on policy issues. All of whom seem to be operating under the illusion that Walker, with the right people around him and proper guard rails in place, can be steered in the right direction.