Atlanta-area prosecutors investigating efforts to overturn the 2020 election results in Georgia are in possession of text messages and emails directly connecting members of Donald Trump’s legal team to the early January 2021 voting system breach in Coffee County, sources tell CNN.
Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis is expected to seek charges against more than a dozen individuals when her team presents its case before a grand jury next week. Several individuals involved in the voting systems breach in Coffee County are among those who may face charges in the sprawling criminal probe.
Investigators in the Georgia criminal probe have long suspected the breach was not an organic effort sprung from sympathetic Trump supporters in rural and heavily Republican Coffee County – a county Trump won by nearly 70% of the vote. They have gathered evidence indicating it was a top-down push by Trump’s team to access sensitive voting software, according to people familiar with the situation.
pr0ner wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:53 pm
10 indictments forthcoming from Fulton County. TBD as to what they are, but at least one is related to the 2020 election probe.
Holy crap that's a lot of charges. Bummer for all those people that can't be pardoned even if he gets into office.
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In two or three months Georgia republicans will rescind the prosecutors appointment based on the law they just passed and the charges will be dropped. Trump will crow and we will all feel sick in our stomachs.
waitingtoconnect wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 12:49 am
How long do we really think the prosecutor will last in her office? It’s not going to be long.
Trump is not going to face a judge on these charges.
The law goes into effect in 8 weeks but my read is that the committee the law creates to review prosecutors doesn't begin meeting until June 2024. Plenty of time for this to at least get far enough along that even firing a prosecutor might not help.
-arrest warrants have been issued for all 19 defendants
-all charged have until August 25 to turn themselves in
-Willis will seek to try all of the defendants together
-Willis will request that the trial occur within the next 6 months
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions. – G.K. Chesterton
Because he only did enough to look like he was trying to do something. It's amazing to me how many people have thrown their lives away for this freaking moron.
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Grifman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 8:36 am
-Willis will request that the trial occur within the next 6 months
Saw a legal expert* last night say that this was ludicrous. Since she wants to try them all together, having 19 defendants in a complicated RICO case will not happen in 6 months barring a lot of pleas or splitting them into multiple cases.
* I will not vouch for the qualifications of a TV legal expert who appears on CBS at 10:30 pm CDT.
Grifman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 8:36 am
-Willis will request that the trial occur within the next 6 months
Saw a legal expert* last night say that this was ludicrous. Since she wants to try them all together, having 19 defendants in a complicated RICO case will not happen in 6 months barring a lot of pleas or splitting them into multiple cases.
* I will not vouch for the qualifications of a TV legal expert who appears on CBS at 10:30 pm CDT.
I agree as a total non-lawyer. I read that that is why Jack Smith only indicted Trump - for now. As to not tie things up with all the other defendants. But I guess we will see.
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions. – G.K. Chesterton
Grifman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 8:36 am
-Willis will request that the trial occur within the next 6 months
Saw a legal expert* last night say that this was ludicrous. Since she wants to try them all together, having 19 defendants in a complicated RICO case will not happen in 6 months barring a lot of pleas or splitting them into multiple cases.
* I will not vouch for the qualifications of a TV legal expert who appears on CBS at 10:30 pm CDT.
I agree as a total non-lawyer. I read that that is why Jack Smith only indicted Trump - for now. As to not tie things up with all the other defendants. But I guess we will see.
She might as well have said she’s aiming for a trial in 6 weeks or 6 days. There’s no way this happens in 6 months. That’s ridiculous!
We’ll probably still be waiting on a decision on Trump’s motion to remove to federal court in 6 months.
Love that she wants to be aggressive, but I do not understand putting out a timetable that’s so obviously not going to happen.
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Apparently Trump has irrefutable evidence that he will be showing on Monday that the election was rigged. He was just sitting on it waiting for the perfect time apparently.
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Grifman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 8:36 am
-Willis will request that the trial occur within the next 6 months
Saw a legal expert* last night say that this was ludicrous. Since she wants to try them all together, having 19 defendants in a complicated RICO case will not happen in 6 months barring a lot of pleas or splitting them into multiple cases.
* I will not vouch for the qualifications of a TV legal expert who appears on CBS at 10:30 pm CDT.
Would trying them together be “incentive” for one or more defendants to rethink their loyalties and separate themselves from the Trump 19 by cooperating with the DA? Inquiring non-legal minds want to know.
I also hope this “irrefutable” evidence meets the standard of libel or defamation so Trump can have another day in court. Would be interesting if he went after Dominion Voting Systems. They could dust off parts of their Fox News litigation playbook.
Black lives matter!
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Blackhawk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 12:17 pm
Probably a letter signed by the President himself, with the Presidential seal and everything! It even used five different colored crayons!
Grifman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 8:36 am
-Willis will request that the trial occur within the next 6 months
Saw a legal expert* last night say that this was ludicrous. Since she wants to try them all together, having 19 defendants in a complicated RICO case will not happen in 6 months barring a lot of pleas or splitting them into multiple cases.
* I will not vouch for the qualifications of a TV legal expert who appears on CBS at 10:30 pm CDT.
Would trying them together be “incentive” for one or more defendants to rethink their loyalties and separate themselves from the Trump 19 by cooperating with the DA? Inquiring non-legal minds want to know.
I also hope this “irrefutable” evidence meets the standard of libel or defamation so Trump can have another day in court. Would be interesting if he went after Dominion Voting Systems. They could dust off parts of their Fox News litigation playbook.
I'm not a litigator and I don't have experience with criminal law, so it's just speculation on my part. I don't know whether there is any material difference in leverage whether they're tried altogether, in groups, or individually. I suspect the prosecution sees value in lumping everyone together and that's why they say that's what they're going to do. I think (but am not sure) that individuals can move for separate trials if they can show evidence that being lumped into the larger group will prejudice their defense somehow.
Holman wrote:Yeah, I think it'll be down to four or five unflipped defendants by the time the trial commences.
There are two scenarios for all of these people:
1) Hope that Trump wins re-election and that he'll pardon you.
2) Cut and deal and save their skin.
These are state charges, no? President can only pardon federal crimes, no?
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"Has high IQ. Refuses to apply it"
91 felonies and everyone is still circling the wagons around him. He really could just murder someone and it wouldn't matter.
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