Zarathud wrote:Please get off your high horse.
I would but then I'd have trouble looking up at you.
We allow death all the time in legislative rule-making. Cars are potentially dangerous but the benefits outweigh the risks, never mind that the GOP is about to REDUCE access to health insurance (and reduce life).
Allowing death is not the same as causing death. It's absurd to equate the two. People don't drive cars intending to kill (not withstanding terrorists). Abortion is intentional killing.
As for the Republicans, I am not one and support universal access to health care. So you can't tar me with that.
See Roe v Wade for a more nuanced balancing of rights with respect to abortion.
I'm not sure what value there is to nuance in and of itself. I've read RvW and a lot of liberal and conservative legal scholars think very little of it's reasonings (for very different reasons of course). If the fetus is a human being, all the nuance in the world is irrelevant.
NRA countenances zero restrictions and radicalizes around even perceived threats.
And exactly how it that different from Planned Parenthood, which fights any/all restrictions tool and nail? West Germany requires a 3 day waiting period and counseling before an abortion is allowed. Individual states have proposed similar laws and the abortion lobby screams bloody murder.
But aside from that, until you have to make the decision you really have no idea how difficult the situation. That's the point Lena Dunham was trying (poorly) to make. She hasn't been there but she's trying to empathize with people, not some hypothetical concept of life.
Not being in a another person's situation does not prevent us from being able to make moral arguments and judgements. With that logic, we wouldn't be able to make any moral judgements about any one else's actions because we can never truly walk in another person's shoes. Therein lies madness.
As for the "hypothetical concept of life", neither side can get away from that. You just can't throw that at the pro-life side as if that's their burden. Each side has to deal with the issue of when human life begins. So back at you.
The best part about Roe v Wade is that in most cases female citizens would get to decide for themselves these religious, moral, ethical, personal and parental questions. No one is forced to have an abortion in the US. Only one side forces its will and ethical constructs on the other.
Since when do we let individuals decide when it is appropriate to kill or not? You admitted above that abortion causes death. And we force ethical constructs on others all of the time. That's what laws do.