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The reasoning is spelled out, but in the movie it comes in a so-quick-you-could-miss-it kind of way:Ralph-Wiggum wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:16 am Watched it last night and loved it. Every scene was visually striking and I thought the movie was pretty easy to follow, as did my girlfriend who had never read the book. The only thing I thought they could’ve made clearer wasSpoiler:
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Ralph-Wiggum wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:16 am Watched it last night and loved it. Every scene was visually striking and I thought the movie was pretty easy to follow, as did my girlfriend who had never read the book. The only thing I thought they could’ve made clearer wasSpoiler:
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This. Voiceovers seem to indicate the director couldn't adequately portray the story. Or the movie execs couldn't follow it, e.g. Blade Runner.Lagom Lite wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:14 amYech, good riddance. Voiceovers are terrible for cinema. Really amateurish of Lynch to even think of using it back then. Inner motivation need to be acted out performatively in dramatics, or else incorporated in dialogue.
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I'm generally not a fan, but they can work in noir crime films.
Sunset Boulevard, The Third Man, etc.
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and the Spacing Guild! perhaps the idea of getting too many factions involved could have overcomplicated the film flow, but i liked it in the book.hitbyambulance wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 2:15 am but the mentats were kinda edited out of this screenplay.
you also get strobe lights, specific back lighting on the screen (for some scenes), breezes in the theater and puffs of air for the seat, mist (theater wide and individual, the latter of which can be disabled on the seat console), the whole sub-aisle of seats can roll, bank and tilt around, and 'stabbed in the back' (specific pokers in the seat itself). i went with a few people from my bike club - two thought it all was slightly distracting, two turned off the water feature and one complained of mild whiplash afterwards. again, i was ok with it, but if it had been constant (like in the two Marvel 4DX trailers), i would have not been feeling well afterwards.hepcat wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:55 am
I wanted to try the 4DX thing, but Archinerd, Seppe and Zarathud (who then bailed on us) insisted that they were too old and that the added stimuli would confuse and perhaps unsettle them.
What else happens during that kind of showing? I read that they actually do more than just shake seats.
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The Spacing Guild is mentioned but doesn't have much of a presence in the first half of the book. (In the movie you do seem some early-stage guildsmen arrive with the Emperor's envoy on Caladan: they're wearing helmets filled with orange spice gas.)hitbyambulance wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 2:22 pmand the Spacing Guild! perhaps the idea of getting too many factions involved could have overcomplicated the film flow, but i liked it in the book.hitbyambulance wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 2:15 am but the mentats were kinda edited out of this screenplay.
In the novel, the only guildsmen we see are in the final pages, and they look like regular humans (in fact wearing contact lenses to conceal their spice-addicted eyes). David Lynch's scene with the Emperor and the big Navigator is completely invented. Herbert doesn't show us a Navigator until the second novel.
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We've already talked about how Feyd-Rautha isn't in this movie and will but probably be introduced at the start of Part Two.
But there's another missing character I wonder about...
But there's another missing character I wonder about...
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Tried reading the book years ago, got bored. Never liked the previous movies.
Was mildly excited for this (don't know why) asked for the complete book series for Xmas. Watched the 1st 50 minutes in two sittings, only to have fallen asleep.
Just boring. The movie just basically starts with not much explanation, and the scenes just jump around, making it hard to follow.
Wondering if I should take the books off my list, but my parents already done their shopping, and knowing my dad who is a huge Dune fan probably already bought it.
Was mildly excited for this (don't know why) asked for the complete book series for Xmas. Watched the 1st 50 minutes in two sittings, only to have fallen asleep.
Just boring. The movie just basically starts with not much explanation, and the scenes just jump around, making it hard to follow.
Wondering if I should take the books off my list, but my parents already done their shopping, and knowing my dad who is a huge Dune fan probably already bought it.
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That's actually the half-assed version. It's a very long con.
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Got Wife's buy-in to watch this tonight, or at least to start it. Will probably break it into two nights; 2.5 hours is a heavy lift.
I read the trilogy at least twice, but the last time was just about 40 years ago so I only remember bits and pieces. Didn't like the previous movie. Wife thinks she started the first book once but didn't finish it.
I read the trilogy at least twice, but the last time was just about 40 years ago so I only remember bits and pieces. Didn't like the previous movie. Wife thinks she started the first book once but didn't finish it.
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Did you watch the miniserieses? (they did the Dune Messiah, too)Kraken wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:09 pm Got Wife's buy-in to watch this tonight, or at least to start it. Will probably break it into two nights; 2.5 hours is a heavy lift.
I read the trilogy at least twice, but the last time was just about 40 years ago so I only remember bits and pieces. Didn't like the previous movie. Wife thinks she started the first book once but didn't finish it.
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Really? I need to watch that again. Dune Messiah is essential to the overall story and leaving it at Dune is a major disservice.Jeff V wrote:Did you watch the miniserieses? (they did the Dune Messiah, too)Kraken wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:09 pm Got Wife's buy-in to watch this tonight, or at least to start it. Will probably break it into two nights; 2.5 hours is a heavy lift.
I read the trilogy at least twice, but the last time was just about 40 years ago so I only remember bits and pieces. Didn't like the previous movie. Wife thinks she started the first book once but didn't finish it.
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For the record, that was not the half-assed versions of LotR that we watched at Zaxxon's house. That was all 11 hours and 36 glorious minutes of the Extended Editions consumed in one day...along with equally epic amounts of Krispy Kreme donuts, Donato's pizza, and beer
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Saw it this afternoon and loved it. It did seem to spend a little too much time on the period between
but overall I was very happy with the way the story unfolded. They did a fantastic job of explaining enough to let you understand the world of Dune while not bogging the story down with too much detail. I didn’t feel like anything was left out that would confuse an audience that was paying attention. It’s a dense story with a lot of political maneuvering so of course it’s got a lot of moving parts.
I also disagree with the belief that
As for the soundtrack, I thought it captured the Lawrence of Arabia feel they were obviously going for.
I do wish someone had told the Fremen that adding goggles to their damn stillsuits would be a good decision on a planet with sandstorms though.
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I enjoyed the first 1.5 hours and will polish it off tomorrow night. It captured the feel of the book as I remember it. The production is top-notch.
I do wish they'd shot the whole thing as a 5-6 part miniseries rather than breaking it into two widely separated movies, but I understand that there are still people who go to theaters and they need to cater to that market for awards purposes.
Also, I learned that people who prefer the first movie are called old spicers.
I do wish they'd shot the whole thing as a 5-6 part miniseries rather than breaking it into two widely separated movies, but I understand that there are still people who go to theaters and they need to cater to that market for awards purposes.
Also, I learned that people who prefer the first movie are called old spicers.
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I don’t understand how they could have filmed the first one without ensuring the second one was going to be made. The LotR movies were one book chopped into 3 films, so what Dune is doing here isn’t that far out of the norm. But they knew the rest of the story would be told.
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Before we got streaming, I was all about movies. Since we've been streaming I've watched series almost exclusively and decided that they're a better format for storytelling, as they can be chopped into as many suitably-sized chapters as the story demands. IDK if I'll ever go to a theater again, so I'm only talking about the home viewing experience.
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Lagom Lite wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:43 amRalph-Wiggum wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:16 am Watched it last night and loved it. Every scene was visually striking and I thought the movie was pretty easy to follow, as did my girlfriend who had never read the book. The only thing I thought they could’ve made clearer wasSpoiler:Spoiler:
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Watched it tonight at the theater. Loved it. Will see it again.
It is what the last three Star Wars movies should have been like.
Epic movie and hope it keeps going.
It is what the last three Star Wars movies should have been like.
Epic movie and hope it keeps going.
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You want the Children of Dune miniseries. It was heads and shoulders above the original miniseries in terms of quality and even has some pretty big actors in the lead roles.McNutt wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:11 pmReally? I need to watch that again. Dune Messiah is essential to the overall story and leaving it at Dune is a major disservice.Jeff V wrote:Did you watch the miniserieses? (they did the Dune Messiah, too)Kraken wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:09 pm Got Wife's buy-in to watch this tonight, or at least to start it. Will probably break it into two nights; 2.5 hours is a heavy lift.
I read the trilogy at least twice, but the last time was just about 40 years ago so I only remember bits and pieces. Didn't like the previous movie. Wife thinks she started the first book once but didn't finish it.
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We don't do half-assed at my house.disarm wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:25 pmFor the record, that was not the half-assed versions of LotR that we watched at Zaxxon's house. That was all 11 hours and 36 glorious minutes of the Extended Editions consumed in one day...along with equally epic amounts of Krispy Kreme donuts, Donato's pizza, and beer
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Read book first or watch movie? My only Dune knowledge/experience comes from the amazing (at the time) PC game.
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You’ll be fine diving into the movie. It does a good job of covering the major plot points of the book.
But if you want quite a bit more supporting history, read the book afterwards.
But if you want quite a bit more supporting history, read the book afterwards.
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Is it a situation where seeing the movie first will ruin the book experience for me?
I guess I’m asking if there are sufficient plot twists or surprise endings enough to justify watching the plot vs reading it. (Although this is only part one, so that’s a huge plus for someone in my position).
FWIW I’ve owned the book for years, just never gotten to it. So it’s something I’ve been meaning and wanting to do anyway.
I guess I’m asking if there are sufficient plot twists or surprise endings enough to justify watching the plot vs reading it. (Although this is only part one, so that’s a huge plus for someone in my position).
FWIW I’ve owned the book for years, just never gotten to it. So it’s something I’ve been meaning and wanting to do anyway.
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The book has an incredible amount of detail and background. If anything, it will enhance the experience as you’ll know the core story.
I’ve even read the prequels which provide an entire layer of context despite not being as well written or as complex.
I’ve even read the prequels which provide an entire layer of context despite not being as well written or as complex.
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He's spot on. I never once felt I was watching a Hollywood money grab (even though I guess they all are to some extent). It reminded me of a 70s Science Fiction film that focused on the story more than the spectacle...even though this has a TON of spectacle.
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A cool tiny detail that sticks with me:
It's the kind of perspective that will probably hit different audiences differently, and it *really* makes me hope that Villeneuve will get to do not just Dune Part 2 but also Dune Messiah.
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Ooops, you are correct. It was afterwards I obtained the full-assed versions, never to be watched again.disarm wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:25 pmFor the record, that was not the half-assed versions of LotR that we watched at Zaxxon's house. That was all 11 hours and 36 glorious minutes of the Extended Editions consumed in one day...along with equally epic amounts of Krispy Kreme donuts, Donato's pizza, and beer
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In hindsight, I do have to question the musical number about 1 hour and 45 minutes into the film. I'm sure establishing that the Baron Harkonnen can play the french horn seemed like a good idea when writing the script, but having him play a Niel Diamond medley after surviving an attack just didn't work for me.
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Now you are just straight out taunting Jeff.hepcat wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:23 pm In hindsight, I do have to question the musical number about 1 hour and 45 minutes into the film. I'm sure establishing that the Baron Harkonnen can play the french horn seemed like a good idea when writing the script, but having him play a Niel Diamond medley after surviving an attack just didn't work for me.
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I did like Gurney playing Dust In the Wind on the baliset.hepcat wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:23 pm In hindsight, I do have to question the musical number about 1 hour and 45 minutes into the film. I'm sure establishing that the Baron Harkonnen can play the french horn seemed like a good idea when writing the script, but having him play a Niel Diamond medley after surviving an attack just didn't work for me.
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I did like the call back to the Lynch Dune when Gurney finished up that long, long set (a little too long to be honest @ about 45 minutes) and then picked up a pug to carry into battle.